No Saints played the equivelent of Sinfield at scrum half - Wilkins is their stand off - you are the only person who thinks otherwise - not a second row forward - this is what you do when your arguement has been found out - do you think their would be much uproar if Sinfield and McGuire played in the halves - it was like when you compared the squads you moved all the players round to suit your arguement - pathetic.

Do the comparison with Huddersfield and see if you still agree and with Wigan - but don't move the players round and see if you arguement still stands up!!

Dave, if Wilkin is their stand off, who is Leon Pryce?

How many of Wigan's or Huddersfield's players would you take over their equivalent at Leeds?

pryce played scrum half in that game

Thought the two of them split the playmaking pretty much evenly betwen them, and though Wilkin took on most of the kicking.
Yet Saints were able to work around that, and still beat us.

Richie, you seem to be saying that "it's all down to the coach", without actually saying "it's all down to the coach".

or am I reading you wrong????

Well, it's that or the fans



Interesting how different coaches are treated by fans. I still reckon PR skills can be a coaches greatest asset

Exactly as Leeds would do if Burroe didn't play Sinfield would play 6 and McGuire at 7 - Saints played Wilkin at 6 their 13 same as Sinfield and Pryce at 7 - they didn't play Flannery - JJB equivelent at 6 - again all you are doing is trying to twist stuff just accept you are wrong and move on.

Of the Huddersfield squad

Hodgson, Whatuira,David Hodgson,Robinson,Crabtree, Griffin,Wild, Finnigan, Lawrence, Moore all of whom are better than their counterparts in the Rhinos squad and they have a winger currently playing at Batley who is potentially the next Offiah in the right hands. Their juniors are now beating ours pretty easily!!!

i wouldn't agree with that assessment david. robinson better than burrow?
no chance.

what i will say is if there was one season we needed a large squad it's this one,what with the quick turnaround after the world cup.players will need plenty of rest this season.
we have the smallest squad we have had in a while with NO spare players in the forwards.
all this while still well under the cap.
will the sleeve not let him spend it?
does the coach not want to spend it?
when did we last spend the full cap.

Smith got plenty of leeway in 2005 when he basically blew the lot - he even got pretty lightly with 2006 the worst season in the Rhinos SL history which include the CC semi against Huddersfield so not sure you are correct and there are many on here who see critisising Smith as akin to treason.

Perhaps Hetherington is realistic about income and as any business you need to show a profit - if he can win the GF without spending the full cap good for him.

On Robinson I think he has more facets to his game than Burrow who is a bit of one trick pony who has been found out - 2008 wasn't his greatest year - his game hasn't moved on in two years one of the problem on Friday was the number of times he kicked the ball straight to a huddersfield player on the full

and what if he can't David? Will we have been short changed as the supporters are still paying full price to watch less than full price performances....

That is the chance all businesses take - how far can they cut costs before their service is compromised - I suspect GH is right their now. If they upset their customers will they come back especially the corporates who basically have numerous alternatives in a very competitive market

I suspect we will see some announcements of signings for next year in the near future not sure he will able to do much for this year