Quote: Phuzzy "Look, I can't claim to know the ins and outs of what happened and I strongly suspect that neither can you. However I do know what you write above is an exceedingly coloured view of what happened. It's a matter of record that Brough wasn't picked for the WC squad'" Of course he wasn't, he ruled himself out several months before it started. Quote: Phuzzy "Furthermore, apart from one solitary game, he hadn't been picked for England previously.'" He'd not really been available all that long to be selected, and did his form in say 2010, 2011, 2012 come close to what he started to show in 2013? Like the Hudds team he was hot and cold. Quote: Phuzzy "At 30 years old this was likely to be his last World cup and, by McNamara's own admission, didn't figure in his England plans.'" Dated just 2 months before Brough ruled himself out.... He actually said "I'm not playing second fiddle every year". But again, how many years did he truly show enough to be considered for England BEFORE the 2013 season? He got a shot in summer of 2012 in an Exiles and played poorly, and also from my previous post we know he was talking to the Scotland coach around this time that he finally got given his England debut. Quote: Phuzzy "Now don't get me wrong, I have no agenda either for or against Danny Brough. All I do know is that it proves the point I was making earlier. You have decided you don't like him and you view everything he does in the worst possible light even when, as in this case, there is a perfectly justifiable reason for what he did should you care to view it rationally.'" Well Tony Smith who'll more than likely have some in-game hearsay knowledge believes Brough was very much in the wrong and said Brough's reasoning was "exactly why you wouldn't pick him" www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22800164 "Anybody should be really honoured and privileged to represent their country, and if they're asked to sit behind somebody or compete with somebody, overcome them and show a great attitude - that's what we're after as coaches. "Sometimes players don't show the best attitude within an environment. You'd rather have a great attitude than a great player." BTW, I don't view Brough's actions in "the worst possible light" because it's him, I view them in the light that's been provided by what I've read and heard and base them on that.

Quote: Phuzzy "Look, I can't claim to know the ins and outs of what happened and I strongly suspect that neither can you. However I do know what you write above is an exceedingly coloured view of what happened. It's a matter of record that Brough wasn't picked for the WC squad'" Of course he wasn't, he ruled himself out several months before it started. Quote: Phuzzy "Furthermore, apart from one solitary game, he hadn't been picked for England previously.'" He'd not really been available all that long to be selected, and did his form in say 2010, 2011, 2012 come close to what he started to show in 2013? Like the Hudds team he was hot and cold. Quote: Phuzzy "At 30 years old this was likely to be his last World cup and, by McNamara's own admission, didn't figure in his England plans.'" Dated just 2 months before Brough ruled himself out.... He actually said "I'm not playing second fiddle every year". But again, how many years did he truly show enough to be considered for England BEFORE the 2013 season? He got a shot in summer of 2012 in an Exiles and played poorly, and also from my previous post we know he was talking to the Scotland coach around this time that he finally got given his England debut. Quote: Phuzzy "Now don't get me wrong, I have no agenda either for or against Danny Brough. All I do know is that it proves the point I was making earlier. You have decided you don't like him and you view everything he does in the worst possible light even when, as in this case, there is a perfectly justifiable reason for what he did should you care to view it rationally.'" Well Tony Smith who'll more than likely have some in-game hearsay knowledge believes Brough was very much in the wrong and said Brough's reasoning was "exactly why you wouldn't pick him" www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22800164 "Anybody should be really honoured and privileged to represent their country, and if they're asked to sit behind somebody or compete with somebody, overcome them and show a great attitude - that's what we're after as coaches. "Sometimes players don't show the best attitude within an environment. You'd rather have a great attitude than a great player." BTW, I don't view Brough's actions in "the worst possible light" because it's him, I view them in the light that's been provided by what I've read and heard and base them on that.

Re niggly players, I think there's a line that shouldn't be crossed in the modern game. A cheap shot's one thing but if it's the type of cheap shot intended to break an opponent's jaw or rupture knee ligaments then I'd hope (possibly in vain) that fans of the perpetrator's own club wouldn't defend him or his actions.

In response to Rogues


It's a shame that Rogues hasn't had the decency to back down and retract his defamatory remark that he made regarding Danny McGuire being a a horrible excuse for a man and countering my proposal of giving me his unbiased view of Micky Mac

I always thought that Rogues was a very knowledgeable poster and one who always could be considered as showing integrity on these forums and that despite his constant drivel and dislike of the Rhinos academy and that it was in terminal decline, although i always took these comments tongue - in - cheek

I would like to tell Rogues a little tale here and the reason why i have taken such a dislike to his comments:

My niece suffers from a mild form of downs syndrome and had to spend her early years at the Hawthorn Family Support , which is situated in Danny's back yard of East End Park Leeds, and each time i paid a visit there Danny was always in attendance giving his spare time up for free, I believe that he is as a patron of this worthy cause at Leeds Mencap

During the time i spent there i can honestly say that i was humbled being in Danny's company and with how much of his free time that he freely gave up supporting these under privileged kids, so much so that i even pretended not to know who he was and that i also never let on that i was a Rhinos fan whilst i was chatting to him, However a couple of weeks later and whilst i was in the long bar after a game Danny only came up to me and asked me by name how my niece was doing

I will never ever forget that moment of sincerity shown by such a Horrible excuse for a man

Belated, but in fairness perhaps you have a life ( unlike some on here )

Good on yer and mentioning Edwards reminded me of when he got sent off against the Aussies early in the game and we won the game and they blamed the incident for costing them the game

Are you still here for the Magic Weekend?
And if you are are you going?

Unfortunately no I was only home for four days had to fit a lot in including a family wedding.Be back bit later in season and longer than 4 days

Never mind we will catch up at some stage.


But to anyone else who wants to give me a bit of stick we'll be in Mary D's bar on Grey Mare Lane pre match on Saturday. Come and have a chat we don't bite. We're just a few old barstewards who love our rugby and we'll have three or four young uns with us (well they're young compared to us)

Will Rhinos fans on this forum exhibit similar class by apologising for all the disgusting things they've called Sam Tomkins in the past?

Didn't think so.

Hypocritical offence taken and duly noted.

Nice one Rogues

We've all been guilty at some time or other for how we have worded posts on here and it takes a big man to come out and accept that and to apologise

How do you mean you didn't think so so soon that's almost as good as no really.A lot of people on here may now have you on ignore

I was so busy with the family last week I didn't have time to see mates