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| If Hardaker's account is right, then he's definitely done the right thing getting away, even if for a while. It also begs the question why the club didn't give him time off instead of playing him when he was in no fit state. There's nothing there to suggest the club offered him much support at all.
However, he does seem to (understandably) want to paint himself in as good a light as possible. Given what he's said previously about being tied to a nasty 4-year contract I'm not sure I quite believe his woe is me story.
Either way Leeds shouldn't have played him as much as we did this year, its no surprise he hasn't set the world on fire at the Panthers, and all parties would probably be best served if he stayed in the NRL.
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| How many players who've got tainted reputations ever take responsibility for their actions and come out and say things like 'I've been an idiot, I've acted irresposibily, I've acted immaturely and been a bit selfish, I've let fame and fortune go to my head and got carried away, I've made some bad decisions'
How many come out with 'I was in a dark place? I didn't want to leave my house (though they manage to get out to the pub), I was lonely and felt I had no where to turn, I was doing it tough, I've suffered with depression'....
The 2nd set of responses are much more common, much easier to throw out there, and bring a much more sympathetic and accepting response - almost wipes the slate clean for misbehaviour immediately.
No doubt the do-gooders will claim me saying this is 'adding stigma', but that's BS. People with genuine mental health issues should be given all the help and respect in the world. I've seen first hand the trauma caused and have nothing but heart felt well wishes for anyone suffering.
But on the flip side, I can't help but feel A-holes who act like a goose on numerous occasions over a sustained period of time, who then suddenly find the 'courage' to speak about their depression when they need some positive press deserve the cynicism they get.
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| Could feel sorry for him apart from the story keeps changing every few weeks so never know what is being said is true .
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| Quote: Stevosfalseteeth "Definitely a bad egg. Running from his problems. Needs to man up. Compare what kids in Syria go through to this egotistical, self centred clown. Life isn't always a bed of roses Son'"
Wow which cave did you wake up in this morning?
Compare any of our issues to some kids in Syria and they will look trivial.
The idea that we all need to man up is luddite thinking - yes he was/is an immature young man who just happened to be in the public eye. Why do we expect young men who happen to play a high profile sport to act any differently to other young men who live less public lives.
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "If Hardaker's account is right, then he's definitely done the right thing getting away, even if for a while. It also begs the question why the club didn't give him time off instead of playing him when he was in no fit state. There's nothing there to suggest the club offered him much support at all.'"
It is right, but to be fair to the club they were also in a difficult position, which Hardaker recognises. They needed all hands on ship, and didnt' quite realise the seriousness of the situation at first. When they did, they did everything they could to make things work, and in the end agreed what was right.
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| Quote: Superted "
No doubt the do-gooders will claim me saying this is 'adding stigma', but that's BS. People with genuine mental health issues should be given all the help and respect in the world. I've seen first hand the trauma caused and have nothing but heart felt well wishes for anyone suffering.'"
Can you define what genuine mental health issues are?
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| Think it's worth pointing out that he doesn't actually say he had depression nor is that word used at all. It reads to me as someone who was perhaps grieving after a significant loss. Whilst both are awful their is a difference between depression and grieving.
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| Quote: tigertot "Can you define what genuine mental health issues are?'"
Can you?
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| Probably more than almost anyone a "professional sportsman" is defined by his job. For most of us a job is just a job. Personal life, public life, work, social media etc. all merge into one for guys like Hardaker. I strongly believe you can't run away from yourself, so moving half the way round the world takes Hardaker no further from whatever is going on in his head, but it does get him away from a lot of the outside stuff that is affecting the way he does his job.
FWIW I thought he was no worse than the rest of the team when I saw him play this year, I really don't know much about how he was affecting his teammates though.
If he comes back next season he's got to change some of his more harmful behaviours.
Boredom is a problem I think for sportsmen. You can't train all the time, there is a lot of downtime and there is the comedown from the adrenaline of playing. I get the impression Hardaker is affected more than others. $h1t happens to everyone in their personal life. It's understandable if you down a bottle of something and don't fancy coming into work for a couple of days. The problem with Hardaker seems to be that he has no credit in the bank to do this due to the times he's acted like a bell end for apparantly no other reason than actually being a bell end.
If he comes back he has to train well, behave properly, bin social media and watch what he drinks - if at all during the season. If he does all that he should play well and he should be in a much better place to handle the everyday stresses of life (alcohol is a depressant - it just makes things worse).
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Can you?'"
No. I wouldn't try. It's useful for pharmaceutical companies to categorise people so they can then prescribe them expensive medication but it's a very slippery road. Everyone has mental issues of one sort or another, to different degrees. I've recently seen my Dad die with/of dementia; I've seen numerous friends suffer extreme reactions to relationship problems/breakdowns; I've seen a work colleague die from the effects of his inability to come out; another work colleague - physically a giant of a man - attempt suicide due to relationship problems; another has just returned after 6 months off with what was called work stress/anxiety. I'm not a doctor but I would say telling any of these people to man up wouldn't have been a cure. They were all people who had an illness at a particular time in their lives. They were all genuine. I don't particularly like Hardaker as a person from what I can see. He is a very lucky person to have the talent & lifestyle he has. But mental health affects everyone either directly or indirectly.
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| Quote: Superted "How many players who've got tainted reputations ever take responsibility for their actions and come out and say things like 'I've been an idiot, I've acted irresposibily, I've acted immaturely and been a bit selfish, I've let fame and fortune go to my head and got carried away, I've made some bad decisions'
How many come out with 'I was in a dark place? I didn't want to leave my house (though they manage to get out to the pub), I was lonely and felt I had no where to turn, I was doing it tough, I've suffered with depression'....
The 2nd set of responses are much more common, much easier to throw out there, and bring a much more sympathetic and accepting response - almost wipes the slate clean for misbehaviour immediately.
No doubt the do-gooders will claim me saying this is 'adding stigma', but that's BS. People with genuine mental health issues should be given all the help and respect in the world. I've seen first hand the trauma caused and have nothing but heart felt well wishes for anyone suffering.
But on the flip side, I can't help but feel A-holes who act like a goose on numerous occasions over a sustained period of time, who then suddenly find the 'courage' to speak about their depression when they need some positive press deserve the cynicism they get.'"
It isn't 'do-gooders' who will claim this is you adding stigma, its anyone with half an ounce of sense and the ability to read your post.
If a player claimed to have broken a leg would you decide that they hadnt? if they claimed to have torn a hamstring would you claim they do that for sympathy? If they had a fractured jaw would you suppose the possibility that was just an excuse?
Firstly, you arent a qualified mental health professional, secondly you have no first hand knowledge of this specific case, literally the only point of your post is to stigmatise Hardaker for admitting his problems. To paint him as possibly cynically manipulating sympathy for mental health problems to cover his 'being an a hole'
If you honestly can't see how people who are struggling with their mental health, who have maybe self-medicated, taken undue risks, made poor decisions, locked themselves away, avoided things (all pretty much textbook manifestations of mental health issues) would maybe keep quite about them lest people think they were making it up for sympathy then i have sympathy for you and those around you.
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| I purposely didn't mention Hardaker or anyone else for that matter in my post, because you're right, I'm not close enough to the detail.
How many players have you seen come out after being found acting like an a-hole and talk about a broken leg, torn hamstring, broken jaw etc etc
Whilst up on your high horse, you might not see what's happening down on the ground, in the real world. Unfortunately, some people cynically use depression to excuse poor behaviour.
I'm well aware, poor choices/behaviour can be one of the ways depression manifests itself, but it's no coincidence how often it's trotted out by the 'bad lads' nowadays, usually just when they need some good press - like when looking for a new club or contract usually....
As a sport I think we're very pro-active in supporting players with any issues - some will take advantage of that. That's my opinion, based on life experience of people genuinely suffering, and blaggers alike.
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| Quote: Superted "I purposely didn't mention Hardaker or anyone else for that matter in my post, because you're right, I'm not close enough to the detail.'" Are we pretending context doesnt exist? What relevance does your post have other than to highlight the possibility that he, like others, could be faking it?
Quote: Superted "How many players have you seen come out after being found acting like an a-hole and talk about a broken leg, torn hamstring, broken jaw etc etc'" So you understand you are treating mental health differently to other illnesses.
Quote: Superted "Whilst up on your high horse, you might not see what's happening down on the ground, in the real world. Unfortunately, some people cynically use depression to excuse poor behaviour.'" Some people fake cancer and other illnesses...
Quote: Superted "I'm well aware, poor choices/behaviour can be one of the ways depression manifests itself, but it's no coincidence how often it's trotted out by the 'bad lads' nowadays, usually just when they need some good press - like when looking for a new club or contract usually....
As a sport I think we're very pro-active in supporting players with any issues - some will take advantage of that. That's my opinion, based on life experience of people genuinely suffering, and blaggers alike.'" We are so proactive about mental health issues that 6 years ago one of our biggest names killed themselves,
we are so proactive about it that one of SL's most successful players nearly fell out of the game because of depression and mental health struggles not more than a year ago,
we are so pro-active about it that our current Man of Steel was left struggling for weeks because of it and a previous man of steel has barely played in over a year because of it.
We are so pro-active about it that one of the greatest centres of his generation spent a year in the bush because of it,
we are so pro-active about it that one of the best players in the game isnt playing right now because of it.
Yeah, we are doing wonderfully.
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| To be fair I don't think any sport manages it well at all in part because its just very hard to assist someone who is suffering mental health issues.
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "To be fair I don't think any sport manages it well at all in part because its just very hard to assist someone who is suffering mental health issues.'"
Yep. I think we're very poor as a sport in this regard, but then I don't know of a sport that's particularly any better. In society as a whole we're still rubbish in terms of mental health issues in my opinion.
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