Think that's harsh on Moon G he's been starved of quality early ball all year in fairness.
I'm not saying he's been brilliant either and indeed he has had some average/poor games as have the whole team but i still think he's shown some very good signs and with the right supply could prove to be a creative big game winner for us.

thought he started off well, then has tailled off quite badly

I can't believe the sports bra I sent you never arrived. Bloody Royal Mail, no wonder it's getting privatised.



Both in the opening four minutes, IIRC. It would be interesting to see how many times Leeds compound an error with a penalty in the following set - seems to happen all the time ..... especially from Jones-Buchanan.

Leeds only conceded three penalties in total on Saturday and two of them followed not completing on their own set of possession.

I smell tvoc agendas. Moon is a very good centre. His 21 tackles at Warrington were hardly "anonymous" He is I think our top tackling back making more than a 100 more tackles than Watkins. He has made just one less try assist than Watkins in over 20% less carries. I note your stats do not record that Moon is 2nd equal (with Hall) top try scorer.

It is no coincidence either that Hall has has a very mixed season with long periods out of form. Hall comfortably heads the handling error table with 41 so far this year and has been far from sharp often over running Moon and often coming out of the line to make a missed tackle too. You mention Webb who used to join the line on our left as a 2nd stand off to create regular overlaps for Hall. With our current full back this just doesn't happen and who produces far fewer try assists. Add to this a season of out of form McGuire too and it is no wonder our backs have not seen much quality ball as before.

To form a judgement on flaky coincidences is on a par with those positional superstitions.

Is this the JJB that made 35 tackles, 11 carries and no penalties at Warrington?

My point was that it appears to be a fairly regular occurrence with Leeds where a handling mistake will be compounded by the concession of a penalty in the following set - double whammy - not completing a set of possession is bad enough without making matters worse. Two of the three Leeds penalties conceded at Warrington came in such circumstances or do you disagree with that observation? You could have a look while you're watching Kirke making both drives with ball in hand and tackles when not this week contrary to your observation from last week which is surely worth another look : viewtopic.php?f=17&t=558195&tsmp=1379426559&start=51

My point was that it appears to be a fairly regular occurrence with Leeds where a handling mistake will be compounded by the concession of a penalty in the following set - double whammy - not completing a set of possession is bad enough without making matters worse. Two of the three Leeds penalties conceded at Warrington came in such circumstances or do you disagree with that observation? You could have a look while you're watching Kirke making both drives with ball in hand and tackles when not this week contrary to your observation from last week which is surely worth another look : viewtopic.php?f=17&t=558195&tsmp=1379426559&start=51

Based upon what I have seen, when they play actual rugby, not from reading statistics after the event, Hall has had a terrific season. Moon has had an inconsistent season.

I'm not writing him off. I've seen enough to think he can be a good player. But I recognise that he has shown some failings. Watch friday how many times he will be heading towards Hall, step off his left to straighten his run and be easily tackled. He takes this option far more than supplying Hall or using Hall as a foil.

I am afraid Juan I can't show you any opta stats about this so you might have to actually watch the game to see it.

If you don't look at stats Hall has looked below average even for most of this season. He has worse ball retention than Thackery had, and his defence is the worst of all our backs.

That so called pass into touch from Moon on Saturday, would have been a try on the other side of the field, as BJB wouldn't have been a few metres ahead of where he should have been, which is something Hall has consistently done this year.

Just saying like.

I too base my opinion on what I see played on the pitch. However it is useful to be able to back opinion up with facts.

Hall has not had a terrific season. He has been well below his own high standards for much of the season. I do not fault his work rate or his go forward. But his finishing has been well below his own par with nobody else to blame. His handling has been poor as has his missed tackling which has led to cruicial tries being scored against us eg his miss on Westwood on Saturday and his rushing out of the line to miss tackles like he did in the WCC. He has had some terrific games too but they have been the exception. He shown better form in recent games but too late for consideration for ther DREAM TEAM which in other years would have been automatic.

You complain that Moon has been inconsistent. But who hasn't this year? If he has been inconsistent then what a players he is being inconsistent.

1. To tackler in our backs
2. Top offloader in the whole team
3. Top equal for clean breaks
4. Equal 2nd try scorer (1 behind Watkins equal with Hall)
5. One less try assist than Watkins who has had 30% more carries

These facts suggest a fine all round centre. He is in his first season with us, which has seen little quality ball reaching either centre and no attacking FB like Webb to create overlaps on the left.. I think he has class and has made some tries out of nothing and will only get better as he settles into the team.

I think G1 that had you been paying closer attention at matches you would have seen this for yourself.

Not going from stats. I think Hall has been superb this season.
I'd agree Moon has been inconsistent but I think part of that is due to the relatively poor ball he's been receiving. The same goes for Watkins.

If Hall has been superb this season, what was he last season? Or the season before that?

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Hall's not been great this year, although we have a general problem in supplying ball to the backs and scoring tries per se, not just for Hall. Every single one of our threequarters has scored fewer tries this year than last.

Hardaker

2013: 9 Tries from 25
2013: 21 Tries from 37
2011: 12 Tries from 15

BJB

2013: 9 tries from 12
2012: 23 tries from 32
2011: 13 tries from 19

Watkins

2013: 19 tries from 27
2012: 20 tries from 27
2011: 11 tries from 16

Moon

2013: 15 tries from 28
2012: 11 tries from 19 (for Salford)


Hall

2013: 16 tries from 35
2012: 33 tries from 37
2011: 32 tries from 35

McGuire

2013: 8 tries from 21
2012: 22 tries from 26
2011: 10 tries from 17 + 5 sub

Burrow

2013: 8 tries from 30
2012: 12 tries from 27 + 3 sub
2011: 12 tries from 22 + 12 sub