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It's obvious...Webb on present form is still the better FB; the present halves Sinfield and McGuire are looking good and Scotty and Hall should keep their wing positions (Hall to LF is a step too far I think at this stage). Delaney for me is the more impressive convincing centre.

Smithy would be good coming off the bench....in place of (here I go again) Diskin. What the hell do we persist for in wasting the impact of Buderus on the field for the replacement who offers nothing extra but sentimental thoughts of what "he's done for the club" in the past) ??

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Quote: nantwichexile "It's obvious...Webb on present form is still the better FB; the present halves Sinfield and McGuire are looking good and Scotty and Hall should keep their wing positions (Hall to LF is a step too far I think at this stage). Delaney for me is the more impressive convincing centre.

Smithy would be good coming off the bench....in place of (here I go again) Diskin. What the hell do we persist for in wasting the impact of Buderus on the field for the replacement who offers nothing extra but sentimental thoughts of what "he's done for the club" in the past) ??'"


Without being sentimental, I didn't think there was a great deal to choose between Buderus and Diskin yesterday. And I thought Senior had a better game than Delaney. Having said that, I'd have preferred Buderus on while Farrell was in the bin (unless he was sneaked on & I didn't notice).

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Quote: Clearwing "Without being sentimental, I didn't think there was a great deal to choose between Buderus and Diskin yesterday. And I thought Senior had a better game than Delaney.

You're joking. Buderus passes better and finds the holes at the ruck better...he also tackles better. Diskin is too slow and makes awful late passes. I hate to labour the point (maybe others can help ? lol), but there is a huge difference in class between the two. We should hold onto Buderus for another year if we can at the expense of Diskin. McShane is our future of course.

I agree that Delaney didn't have his best game, but he is still a better centre than Smithy. Let's now give him that opportunity to build the promising partnership with Scotty we perceived would happen at the begining of the year.

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Nantwich, I think you're probably correct as to the respective merits of Buderus and Diskin. But yesterday's was a big game and Buderus played a relatively minor role. As it stands, his contract's running down and he still hasn't contributed a match winning performance in a big game. As for your other point re the centres, I misunderstood: I thought you were claiming that Delaney was more reliable than Senior; my bad.

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I'd give Senior a rest maybe, and slot Smith in there. No slight on Senior, but I think he's probably due a rest, which would give him benefit later in the season

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Quote: leicester_rhino "I'd give Senior a rest maybe, and slot Smith in there. No slight on Senior, but I think he's probably due a rest, which would give him benefit later in the season'"


Smithy on the bench would allow us to try that for part of the match if things are looking good .....but I would still start with Senior. His partnership and understanding (admittedely not as effective this year - so far) with Hall should not be interfered with lightly.

Quote: leicester_rhino "Nantwich, I think you're probably correct as to the respective merits of Buderus and Diskin. But yesterday's was a big game and Buderus played a relatively minor role. As it stands, his contract's running down and he still hasn't contributed a match winning performance in a big game. As for your other point re the centres, I misunderstood

No problem. icon_biggrin.gif ...but again the contribution made by Buderus when on the field is consistently far superior to what Diskin offers. He is so much better at keeping us on the front foot and rolling forward with his sublime accurate effective passes from dummy half ...and his scoots only when the gap is there. Diskin just slows it all down and allows the opposition to start gaining the upper hand. Too may 'fans' on here are blinkered by sentiment and rancour at Diskin loosing his no.9 shirt. Maybe it wasn't "fair" but then business isn't always so. Running the club IS a business and quite rightly the business is always looking to improve itself. Buderus was an improvement....but has being allowed to be diminished in its impact due to apparent weak sentimental management. "Bluey" obviously likes to be 'one of the lads' and is, here at least, not being ruthless enough to drop the ineffective, inferior Diskin.

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I agree with you nantwichexile, I felt the forwards weren't making as much ground when Diskin was on the field. I thought Buderus caused a few problems. I think it is hard because I'd guess Buderus will leave at the end of the season, so they need to keep Diskin sweet so that we don't lose him as well. Diskin is still a good player and has won 4 GF's with Leeds but obviously Buderus is a very good player.

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Quote: rugbyleague88 "I agree with you nantwichexile, I felt the forwards weren't making as much ground when Diskin was on the field. I thought Buderus caused a few problems. I think it is hard because I'd guess Buderus will leave at the end of the season, so they need to keep Diskin sweet so that we don't lose him as well. Diskin is still a good player and has won 4 GF's with Leeds but obviously Buderus is a very good player.'"
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But surely if we can't keep Buderus for another year (have we tried?) we can survive quite well without Diskin anyway ??

We have McShane and - as others have suggested - Burrow as cover for hooker ? In fact some might say that is Burrow's better long term position. McGuire either way seems to be fast claiming the scrum half slot as his own.

Cruel as it might seem to others perhaps it is time to let Diskin go.

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Quote: nantwichexile "]]

But surely if we can't keep Buderus for another year (have we tried?) we can survive quite well without Diskin anyway ??

We have McShane and - as others have suggested - Burrow as cover for hooker ? In fact some might say that is Burrow's better long term position. McGuire either way seems to be fast claiming the scrum half slot as his own.

Cruel as it might seem to others perhaps it is time to let Diskin go.'"


You could be right, I feel if Burrow wants to stay at Leeds long term then he may have to move to hooker. Wasn't it a similar transition for Roby which has made him one of the top players of super league? If Bluey wants to retain Diskin then he will have to give him game time.

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Quote: nantwichexile "]]

But surely if we can't keep Buderus for another year (have we tried?) we can survive quite well without Diskin anyway ??

We have McShane and - as others have suggested - Burrow as cover for hooker ? In fact some might say that is Burrow's better long term position. McGuire either way seems to be fast claiming the scrum half slot as his own.

Cruel as it might seem to others perhaps it is time to let Diskin go.'"


You reckon Burrow could put in 30+ tackles a game for an entire season? I don't. You might persuade me that Diskin's time is up but not if Burrow's going to replace him.

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Quote: LS16_Rhino "So far Smith has slotted into the squad quite nicely, on the wing in Scotty’s absence and as the rear guard due Webb’s altercation but next week we will have a full compliment of wingers, centres and full back.

So the question is “where do we use Lee next week?”'"


Centre instead of Senior if anybody. But in all honesty, personally I though Smith was 5h1te yesterday and had he not got that try would have been a certainty to be dropped next week. I also thought he was pretty poor at Bradford last week. And this coming form someone who's constantly praised Smith since he came into the team, and defended him against people under rating him.

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Quote: nantwichexile "]]

But surely if we can't keep Buderus for another year (have we tried?) we can survive quite well without Diskin anyway ??

We have McShane and - as others have suggested - Burrow as cover for hooker ? In fact some might say that is Burrow's better long term position. McGuire either way seems to be fast claiming the scrum half slot as his own.

Cruel as it might seem to others perhaps it is time to let Diskin go.'"


I think your critisism of Diskin is a little OTT. He has plenty to offer Leeds, and that shouldn't be overlooked. He's certainly not only being selected as he's one of the boys, and offers a lots, some of which goes unseen by many.

I think Buderus is performing the better of the two, but Diskin deserves his place in the 17 too.

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Smith to centre. Senior may be on report if not could be rested

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Quote: Gotcha "Centre instead of Senior if anybody. But in all honesty, personally I though Smith was 5h1te yesterday and had he not got that try would have been a certainty to be dropped next week. I also thought he was pretty poor at Bradford last week. And this coming form someone who's constantly praised Smith since he came into the team, and defended him against people under rating him.'"


I thought he was poor yesterday. He seemed hesitant, and dropped a lot of ball (although everyone did).

Great footwork, accelleration and strength for the try though

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Quote: Clearwing "
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You reckon Burrow could put in 30+ tackles a game for an entire season? I don't. You might persuade me that Diskin's time is up but not if Burrow's going to replace him.'"
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Probably not...but I think the suggestion of impact hooker off the bench is a good proposition. Isn't McShane an 80 mins man ??

Quote: Clearwing "

I think your critisism of Diskin is a little OTT. He has plenty to offer Leeds, and that shouldn't be overlooked. He's certainly not only being selected as he's one of the boys, and offers a lots, some of which goes unseen by many.


Such as ? Specifically ??
I certainly do not think he is cack...of course he isn't.
However, out of Buderus, McShane, Burrow (impact hooker off the bench) and Diskin he is [iin my humble opinion[/i the least valuable asset for the future ...and thus the least important for us to retain

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