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I think the only way of sorting unfortunately is to make big room on the cap. The only way of doing that, especially when waiting for contracts to run down, is to start with big earners. Merrin, and one of Watkins or Hurrell have to be at the forefront of that. We must find a way of getting out of Lolohea deal. We must try hard to get rid of failed players or without adequate long term promise, alla Ferris, Sutcliffe, Handley, Albert. We must under all circumstances find a half to fit in who can take the club forward.

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Start by getting rid of the 'jobs for the boy's' mentality....the club has done ok without a director of Rugby for 150 years until the worst team seen by many came along..... at least 2 players on a contract to far..... ex players behind the scenes......the most uninspiring captain I have ever seen.

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Id go with somthing like this, not realistic to do in one off season because we cant just dump players with contracts, but certainly doable over the next 2 offseasons.

Walker
New Winger
Watkins (give him nxt season to fully recover then make a decision )
Hurrell
New Winger
New Half
New Half
Ava
Dwyer
New Prop
Ward
New Second Row
Merrin (captain)

Johnson
Peteru
Oledski
Smith

Handley
Newman
Broadbent
McCllelland
Crosby
Singleton
Albert
Holroyd
Dupree
Trout
Muizz
Walters
McConnell
A Suttcliffe
Waite Pullan

Outs - Golding, Briscoe, Briscoe, Myler, Lolohea, Suttcliffe, Parcell, Cuthbertson, Ablett, JJB, Ferres....Loads of cap and 3 quota spots freed up. I feel both Marquees could be better spent so wouldnt be against a change there, but happy enough with both if better options arnt available.
6 in, 10 out

Jackson Hastings is an absolute must imo

Albert stays provided he's cheap and not on quota and because theres a reserves, Crosby and Singleton stay because of Quota aswel and as 5th/6th choice theyr not bad.

New coach...Flanagan , Wane, Powell or Demitriu....Any one of these with Marshall as assistant is good with me.

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Big job ahead because no two ways about it the club is definitely in crisis. I agree with these behind the scenes jobs too.apart from Director of Rugby what does Agar`s job entail? " Head of player and coaching development "

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I'd start by determining whether there are underlying issues behind the Bulls performance.

However bad we've been this season, this was the worst by some distance. Performances that just weren't good enough against the likes of SL should have been enough IMO.

My guess is that sacking Furner has intensified divisions in the team between different factions. The sacking was hardly going to motivate the Furner loyalists who are perhaps understandably uninspired by Agar (both marquee players were poor, and the new signings didn't have much impact either). They ALL looked like they were playing like a bunch of individuals. Even without Furner's systems, you'd expect the team to show some spirit, but very little was forthcoming.

Somehow they need to come together and start working for each other instead of going through the motions. A coach that can instill this is what we need. I think this may be what Sinfield has been getting at with his 'we're not a 4 from 14 club', but it looks easier fixed in theory than in reality.

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Ahh Tesco Building St Helens & Warrington's future Destroying Wigans past "Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower":



I can't believe any of you would want to keep Merrin I know your stuck with him because of his contract but boy is he crap?
And that's where some of your problems lie, Other players are miffed he's getting more than them? Its got to upset the apple cart.

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Anyone 22 or under that has a future, those that don’t or those older are on a case by case basis. Anyone over 30 can go. Rebuild this from the juniors with a sprinkling of leaders from outside, our current bunch have zero leadership qualities.

I’d also like to see GH retire, and Sinny admit he’s made some mistakes so far, then we can offload some baggage and move forwards.

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Quote: Rommel "I can't believe any of you would want to keep Merrin I know your stuck with him because of his contract but boy is he crap?
And that's where some of your problems lie, Other players are miffed he's getting more than them? Its got to upset the apple cart.'"

Agree, people need to understand that a marquee player is someone who can make a difference, a clutch player who can win a game on his own. Merrin is just a plodder.

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Walker
Watkins
Hurrell
Handley
Merrin
Oledzski
Dwyer
C.Smith
Seamanufagai
Petaru
Newman
Mclellend
I'd also keep all our promising youngsters.
We can all debate the odd name here and there but im sure we all agree the cull needed is a big one.

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Merrin is a good player but he's really not what we need. To a degree Hurrell as well. Lolohea is just horrifically bad. If we need cap and qouta space I'd let Merrin return to Oz to get a halfback. Hurrell not sure, Lolohea I'd genuinely pay out whatever the cap implications.

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I’d keep:
Walker
Watkins
Hurrell
Merrin
Ward
Oledzki
Smith
Dwyer
Newman
Golding
Plus the lads just up from the academy such as Trout etc

But that’s a lot of change. We’d need 2 wingers, 2 halves, at least 3 props, 2 second rowers and a hooker.

That obviously can’t be done quickly as not only can’t you get rid of players that quickly you can’t get players of the right quality and the right fit in that quickly. It would have to be done over say 3 years.

For the time being I’d put as many of the young lads in as are ready for first team. So I’d go with a team of:
1. Golding
2. Briscoe
3. Newman
4. Hurrell
5. Handley
6. McLelland
7. Myler
8. Peteru
9. Johnson
10. Oledzki
11. Merrin
12. Smith
13. Ward (he should be back soon)

14. Dwyer
15. Holroyd
16. Mustapha
17. Ava

Rotate Alex Sutcliffe and Trout in with Holroyd abs Mustapha.

Dwyer adds energy but is a bit schizo and unpredictable. If Parcell is not starting because Dwyers limited ability is keeping him out then we need rid and we might as well give a young lad a go.

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Not many after yesterday's performance. I fully understand why people on here are saying McClennland is not ready, he's 12 months and more away from playing SL. We need two quality half backs as soon as possible and some quality experience in the pack. I give up we basically need a now team

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Merrin is a good player but he's really not what we need. To a degree Hurrell as well. Lolohea is just horrifically bad. If we need cap and qouta space I'd let Merrin return to Oz to get a halfback. Hurrell not sure, Lolohea I'd genuinely pay out whatever the cap implications.'"

I'd only let Merrin go if we get a quality pack enforcer/leader like Burgess/Graham type

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This time around it looks like we are going have to keep more than we would like

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It's not a case of who you keep but who you can get rid off. Not that easy, especially if in possession of a contract

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