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Quote: RhinoNeil "Without trying to jump to rash concusions after a terrible team display

- Does anyone think it is going to work with Buderus and Diskin in the 17? Is it me or would anyone have preffered to have seen Kirke or Amor coming off the bench when we lacked punch?

We've won 4 GFs with just one hooker and a big bench. Why change? I dont want to slag Diskin off as he is a great hooker - but everytime Buderus is interchanged for Diskin the intensity seems to drop.

Its not just based on tonights game, last season (when Bedsy fit) it didnt seem to work either. At this moment in time having Diskin on the bench seems to offer very little. Atleast with the Cunningham and Roby combo Roby makes a BIG impact off the bench. The Diskin and Buderus combo is no where near as effective.

I hope in a few weeks time this thread will prove me wrong, but at the min imo were a better team with one hooker and a big bench.'"


So without trying to jump to rash conclusions after one defeat you go ahead and do so.


Too right.

What a pudding.

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Two hookers has feck all to do with making unforced error after unforced error! Let's get our completion rate something like acceptable, put together something that resembles a kicking game and then see what works and what doesn't.

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Quote: Head High Tackle "So without trying to jump to rash conclusions after one defeat you go ahead and do so.



As i mentioned that the combo didnt work last season either then im not just basing it on tonight.

Didnt slag disko off, just said Buderus is the better of the two. Fact.

I didnt say which one of the hookers should be eliminated from the squad...just that i would prefer to see one at a time.

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Quote: sgtwilko "Two hookers has feck all to do with making unforced error after unforced error! Let's get our completion rate something like acceptable, put together something that resembles a kicking game and then see what works and what doesn't.'"


Nope, can't say that. It's all the quadruple grand final winner Diskins fault.

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Quote: RhinoNeil "Without trying to jump to rash concusions after a terrible team display - Does anyone think it is going to work with Buderus and Diskin in the 17? Is it me or would anyone have preffered to have seen Kirke or Amor coming off the bench when we lacked punch?

We've won 4 GFs with just one hooker and a big bench. Why change? I dont want to slag Diskin off as he is a great hooker - but everytime Buderus is interchanged for Diskin the intensity seems to drop.

Its not just based on tonights game, last season (when Bedsy fit) it didnt seem to work either. At this moment in time having Diskin on the bench seems to offer very little. Atleast with the Cunningham and Roby combo Roby makes a BIG impact off the bench. The Diskin and Buderus combo is no where near as effective.

I hope in a few weeks time this thread will prove me wrong, but at the min imo were a better team with one hooker and a big bench.'"

could be worse we got three

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I'm a big fan of Buderus but tonight I thought he was pretty ordinary, some of his passes were woeful but then he wasn't the only one.
Diskin did at least make at least one break, maybe more but the whole display so was so dispiriting I can't recall.
What worries me is the loss of go forward from only having 3 forwards on the bench when the conditions are so heavy.
So until the pitches dry out a little esp at home, McLennan may have to reconsider his strategy & tactics.
However, we were really hampered today by injuries that reduced our substitution options.
Still Superleague is not won in February.
Good luck to Cas they were better than us on the night.

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Quote: RhinoNeil "
Didnt slag disko off, just said Buderus is the better of the two. Fact.'"


Individually. Yes.

As part of the team? The record without him in the team at Leeds speaks for itself.

He should never have been signed.

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Quote: sgtwilko "Two hookers has feck all to do with making unforced error after unforced error! Let's get our completion rate something like acceptable, put together something that resembles a kicking game and then see what works and what doesn't.'"



icon_lol.gif Im not saying we lost becuase of two hookers. Sure we played shocking. We were very flat and lathargic in the second half. An extra forward would have helped a lot.

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Quote: Head High Tackle "Individually. Yes.

As part of the team? The record without him in the team at Leeds speaks for itself.

He should never have been signed.'"


Correct, as a team we have done pretty awesome with just Diskin. I really like Buderus as he is world class, its a bit catch 22. I cant see it working with two hookers. After the success we have had with Diskin it would be foolish to drop him from the side.

The point of the thread is that i would just like to see a big big bench that doesnt include Diskin/Buderus

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Quote: RhinoNeil "Correct, as a team we have done pretty awesome with just Diskin. I really like Buderus as he is world class, its a bit catch 22. I cant see it working with two hookers. After the success we have had with Diskin it would be foolish to drop him from the side.

The point of the thread is that i would just like to see a big big bench that doesnt include Diskin/Buderus'"


Fair enough.

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Quote: RhinoNeil "
Again mate having 2 hookers or an extra forward is by the by! We turned the ball over early in the count all night! From the backs to the pack, we blew the game without cas really braking our line. We forced our selves to play the game on our own line instead of down the other end of the park. chase' short kicking was outstanding and took the game away from us. We ripped cas appart plenty of times then threw the ball away. Cas were good for the win but the Leeds players will know they should have won that game and poor ball rentention which lead to a non existing kicking are to blame.

it's not good enough at this level

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If we're going to go with 1 hooker that it must be Diskin.

Buderus was flagging badly at the end of his first stint and couldn't get to the ptb.

Having said that, I will put it down to early season lack of fitness and the god awful state of the pitch.

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Quote: G1 "If we're going to go with 1 hooker that it must be Diskin.

Buderus was flagging badly at the end of his first stint and couldn't get to the ptb.

Having said that, I will put it down to early season lack of fitness and the god awful state of the pitch.'"



Quicker we get that pitch sorted the better. Eastwood was also out on his feet too.

To please JP we could of had Big Willie Mason with Buderus' wage. icon_biggrin.gif

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If we are going to play with two hookers, why not start with Diskin when the heavy defensive work is needed and keep Buderus fresh as he will be the better impact player

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neither hooker covered themselves in glory last night, diskins attempted kick to nobody when he dropped it was shocking. however neither got a quick play the ball to work off and i would expect both to get better.

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