He really wasn't. Crosby looked much better. But I wouldn't expect anything different from Sinfield, and exactly highlights why it needs someone not connected with the players for next season.

But JJB made more tackles, more marker tackles, more meters and more metres per carry and he also made more tackle busts and fewer missed tackles than Crosby and he played more minutes with a better work rate per minute. So his performance was more effective than Crosby which is why Sinfield made his comment.

Singleton also put in a high work rate per minute and made the most tackles but only made half the metres of JJB and less carries which were also less effective.

In that regard I completely agree, I think Furner has the chance to leave a permanent mark on the club, it's the sort of experience that's difficult to come by, a big club needing a total overhaul and a boss who sees it exactly the same way no doubt. Nobody will be expecting Furner to make us champions - even by the end of his three years.

McD should have gone in 2015. I was also not a hater but to allow the team to get to the state it's in now is borderline criminal. He was never able (apart from 2015) to show league consistency. We became a big game side, but that relied heavily on players that are now gone. So now we can't win a big game and all that's left is McD's speciality - crap league form.

Actually despite numbers from a sheet you have no way of knowing that. You wasn't there was you? You can obviously say what tackles were made and metres per carry, but you have no idea how effective they were, let's not pretend. You said yourself they played more minutes, so obviously the individual stats should be more, but I repeat that in no way determines effectiveness, which is the word you used.

Have you got a link to the stats, would be interesting to have a look

Maybe with hindsight but not many clubs will get rid of a coach who has just overseen the best season in the clibs history

A lot of people on here thought he should have gone end of 2015, myself included. He had won everything and had nothing left to prove or achieve with us and he should have left the clear out of the old guard to someone else there and then. Obviously the club were not going to push him but it just felt right imo for him to go along with the other greats who called it correct at the time to draw a line under the era.

Alot of people on here wanted him to go before 2011

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I’m sure that Delaney and Ablett could have been described as leeds best forward once or twice too this year, doesn’t mean they can put in the required level over the season. Sod it, let’s go round again next year with the retirement home back row.

The numbers for a sheet were the ones you were quite happy to quote yourself.

Just a little bit me difficult for me to attend live. However Sinfield is our DOR and chief coach and was there and specifically mentioned JJB for his effort and rated him our best forward. So I am sorry but I value his opinion much much higher that yours which is usually so biased.

The stats show in almost all aspects of the game JJB was more effective than Crosby including in his work per minute.

Sinfield clearly rates Walker a better fullback than Goulding, does his opinion carry as much value on this subject?

Brett Ferres' stats accurately sum up his performance.

But all three put in regular big shifts in the first part of the season when they had to do the hard stuff without any props and all three then were injured.

So I think we need first and foremost two props and a goalkicker who can manage a game. I also think JJB, Ablett and Delaney are better than Thompson or Ferris. It should be about performance and not age

This does not mean I think we do not need to recruit a big fast running back rower because we do but Thompson is not the answer.