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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Many things are made abroad but traded in Sterling

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And this shows that Brexit is good for British industry and manufacturing how?

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Quote: craigizzard "From the posts from xParksider and Jackie Brown above it seems that EU electives are going to be granted mythical new powers if we stay...

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I can't help what other people think.

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Quote: Doom&Gloom Merchant "Like the power to reject or amend bills - that kind of power? Thank god we have Lord Hugh Tottingbridge-Swithamwick sat in his cloak in Westminster looking out for our best interests.

Or old Queeny giving her consent to pass new laws, our PM visiting her weekly to 'discuss matters' or the heir to the throne using his political influence to lobby MP's.

Have you read the parliament act? "The result was the Parliament Act 1911, which removed from the House of Lords the power to veto a Bill, except one to extend the lifetime of a Parliament. Instead, the Lords could delay a Bill by up to two years (now changed to 1".
The only bills the HoL can "veto" are private members bills, they cannot veto any government bill apart from one that attempts to extend the life of parliament (effectively stopping a government deciding it wants to go on forever). Of course they can veto any bills that start in their own house and any that are submitted at the near end of a session - 1 month from the end. But the government can re-submit and they have to let it past.
They cannot forcibly amend bills, they can - just like any member of parliament - suggest amendments. The government does not have to include or accept them.
I don't like the way the HoL is selected but it's actual function is critical and we need a second house - preferably elected along the lines of Congress in the US - who do it every 2 years to curtail the power of a potentially unpopular president.

And the last time a monarch refused consent was 1708. That Guardian article manages to list some bills the Queen was asked to look at, apparently only one - a private members bill about declaring war on Iraq - did she have objection to. But I'm a republican, I'd have the lot of them out as well - we could just get their waxworks from Tussauds and stick them on the Buck Palace balcony for the tourists.

And we are far from being the only country in Europe with a monarch who gives consent. Holland, Belgium, Spain and a few more all have monarchs who have the power of royal assent in some form or other.

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For me this vote tomorrow isn't all about money and jobs. It's more about democracy and being responsible for our own destiny and making our own laws and rules. Many people died fighting for the democracy we all now take for granted. Don't throw it away and become ruled by the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. Vote LEAVE


So many good erudite arguments ...until somebody cuts and pastes a piece from the Daily Express icon_biggrin.gif

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The salient points for me have the strongest economy?)

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Did the Leave campaign place these adverts? the Remain campaign are like all bullies they give it out and complain if some comes back at them.

What is the current UK and EU governments position regarding EU membership?

and are they planning to accelerate that membership?

Even if it takes 10 or 20 years eventually they will join based on current policy.

Cameron refused to answer 3 times if he would veto Turkey's membership on TV the other night.'"


People complaining about Turkey really shows the inherent racism of the leave campaign

Nothing to do with more independence or worries about an unelected controlling body

Simply 'we can let them Turks in! look at them their both Muslim AND non-white' icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Did the Leave campaign place these adverts? the Remain campaign are like all bullies they give it out and complain if some comes back at them.

What is the current UK and EU governments position regarding EU membership?

and are they planning to accelerate that membership?

Even if it takes 10 or 20 years eventually they will join based on current policy.

Cameron refused to answer 3 times if he would veto Turkey's membership on TV the other night.'"


Turkey has, since 1987, to complete 35 tests/standards in order to be even considered to join the EU. In those 29 years it has completed ONE of those 35. Even if Turkey ever abides by the other 34, then any EU member state, including Britain, has the right to veto entry.

These are facts. They're not opinions, or celebrity endorsements. They're just facts.

To say 'even if it takes 10 or 20 years they will join' is idle speculation way beyond anything you've accused me of for explaining to you how financial.markets work and impact. And the advert is even worse, but sadly entirely consistent in tone with Leave's offering.

Now, which one was Project Fear again?

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Quote: leedsnsouths "Did the Leave campaign place these adverts? the Remain campaign are like all bullies they give it out and complain if some comes back at them.

What is the current UK and EU governments position regarding EU membership?

and are they planning to accelerate that membership?

Even if it takes 10 or 20 years eventually they will join based on current policy.

Cameron refused to answer 3 times if he would veto Turkey's membership on TV the other night.'"


People complaining about Turkey really shows the inherent racism of the leave campaign

Nothing to do with more independence or worries about an unelected controlling body

Simply 'we can let them Turks in! look at them their both Muslim AND non-white'
Turkey should not be allowed anywhere near the EU. Apart from the obvious geographical reasons reason. The current Erdogan regime is pretty despicable.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "Turkey should not be allowed anywhere near the EU. Apart from the obvious geographical reasons reason. The current Erdogan regime is pretty despicable.'"


But one of the major complaints against the EU is that it interferes too much in our country and influences our policies, so surly it would intervene as much if not more in Turkey's?

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If any of you actually did your research instead of beliving Britain First on facebook you would see that Turkey is not joining the EU

Regards

King James

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Quote: craigizzard "Turkey has, since 1987, to complete 35 tests/standards in order to be even considered to join the EU. In those 29 years it has completed ONE of those 35. Even if Turkey ever abides by the other 34, then any EU member state, including Britain, has the right to veto entry.

These are facts. They're not opinions, or celebrity endorsements. They're just facts.

To say 'even if it takes 10 or 20 years they will join' is idle speculation way beyond anything you've accused me of for explaining to you how financial.markets work and impact. And the advert is even worse, but sadly entirely consistent in tone with Leave's offering.

Now, which one was Project Fear again?'"


Ha, ha ha! Remind me which of the tests/standards Greece completed successfully prior to their induction into the EU - are you REALLY that naive?

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Quote: son of headingley "Ha, ha ha! Remind me which of the tests/standards Greece completed successfully prior to their induction into the EU - are you REALLY that naive?'"
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Lol I bet Greece got the well known creative accounting firm the IMF to help them fill the forms in!!

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New trade deals? Piece of p!ss. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... an-markets

Oh, wait.
New trade deals? Piece of p!ss. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... an-markets

Oh, wait.


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Quote: son of headingley "Ha, ha ha! Remind me which of the tests/standards Greece completed successfully prior to their induction into the EU - are you REALLY that naive?'"


What? In 1981?

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Quote: leedsnsouths "People complaining about Turkey really shows the inherent racism of the leave campaign

Nothing to do with more independence or worries about an unelected controlling body

Simply 'we can let them Turks in! look at them their both Muslim AND non-white' 3.17138671875:10
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