Bloody hell. A coach is at our presentation evening, and at the same club many nights, and I speak about signing Westerman, only to be told he isn't signing no more due to the Burgess signing been a goer, and suddenly he is committing gross misconduct. Seriously get real. The players are all aware too. I got more out of Gary Hetherington the other week when I had breakfast with him, and that wasn't much. Should Gary be up before the beak too? Now had this same coach told me previous things, I might get the gist of your moan, but really, I think you need to stop scrapping the bottom of that barrel.

Some posters really need to get in the real world. Deals are common knowledge in many circles long before they are announced. Players talk, agents talk, sponsors are many times called on board before a deal. My original fall out with G1 on here was all over Harris coming back from union. I was invited by Gary Hetherington through my company to part sponsor the resigning of Harris when he returned to rugby league. I knew all about the first refusal contract he had signed. G1 didn't believe there was such a thing, only for us to win a court case on the back of it several years later.

You yourself Printer was quick end of last year to post derogatory comments on Morgan Smith regarding how much he had gone for in leaving, and that you had the knowledge from a source. You were wrong at the time of course, by the sounds of what you put, but sill are you really confident to say your information is more worthwhile? smacks a bit hypocritical.

Besides I now see it reported that Hull have turned down Warringtons offer now for Westerman. Yet I know again that Westerman has agreed terms with Warrington after Leeds pulled out.

Things happen around the game, and nobody is going to find out everything. You only have to look at Nosey Parker for that, and he gets paid for it. But clubs do talk. Frosties on here gets a lot of stick, but most of what he puts is true from the time. Things change things change, so what. I have never professed at any time to have inside info, I just relay what is spoken about, and most of the times it is correct, because when it has been third hand I have posted it is third hand. When it has been first hand I have posted it has been first hand. I could tell you a few other deals about to happen in Super League, but to be honest it doesn't interest me as it is not Leeds, and I only have an interest on this board.

I don't think people are really taking issue with sharing of info or gossip, people do talk and it would be boring on here without it, but to use that gossip as foundation for a 'unprofessional' dig at the club is silly....

Best post on this thread Biff Amazed how die hard RL fans can't even spell a players name properly.

Well I thank you for your comment and agreement, but your last bit is exactly where this board struggles. People make assumptions and because of it fail to read posts fully.

My comment on the club was that this would be the fourth deal in the last year that the club have told the players it is sorted, but have failed to see the deal through with the players club. My point was entirely to do with proclaiming yourself as a club loyal and look after players, which Leeds have been excellent at. Now had those "deals" come from one source of information, then hell I would be agreeing totally with you, but that is not the case, and I have repeated that a fair few times over. Gossip is third hand, and usually from fellow spectators, it is not from the player concerned mouth.

Terribly unprofessional of Warrington to tell Westerman a deal was done when it clearly wasn't.

Did you tell Gary how unprofessional he is during breakfast?

May be not, Wire have announced the deal on their website. 3 year deal.

Could have been a useful player for us but not worth that transfer fee. The fact that we could have signed him we'd have wanted to shows we've plenty of cap space left.

Didn't claim my Morgan Smith information was definitely correct unlike yourself. If people don't believe it then fair enough I won't go on a long rant like you have above.

That offer Hull turned down for Westerman then...

I don't recall that happening at all.

I was always aware of the nature of the Harris "deal".

You confusing me with someone else?

As far as i'm concerned, everything i read on here regards transfer activity is pure speculation until i see in black and white and confirmed as fact. No offence to anyone intended

It's now confirmed that Westerman has signed for the Wolves for a £150k fee.

For anyone thinking, yes I got it from the same source that told me Brierley has a deal with Leeds.

You still fail to see or acknowledge that you have been critical and disrespectful to the Leeds club and management which was a point that I posted before which you chose to ignore. In it I pointed out that you specifically accused the club of being unprofessional. You also used emotive phrases which implied fault and bad faith on the part of the club eg "pull out" "proclaims to look after players", "false promises" , "Leeds telling players something that was not the case" and you even had the arrogance to justify your criticism by saying you were "making a moral point"

Therefore I have read your posts carefully and the above comments are not an assumption but black and white evidence that you were being critical of the club. You did not make clear you were passing on a one sided version of events that could be open to question. Indeed sound judgement would have led you to question what you had been told before posting. Had you done this you would have seen that Leeds had offered terms that were subject to contract.

You also stated that "I only know the Leeds position" when you couldn't have done as you did not speak to the Leeds negotiators first hand.