So is that a change to the coaching methods or a change of the coaching set-up that is required?

McClennan (contracted until the end of 2010), Cummins, Poching and Gross. If they devised a plan they thought was right at the outset will they be able to change direction mid season or is it just a matter of small adjustments to get the squad firing again?

Someething in that area.
I doubt we would sack a GF winning coach the season after, and nor should we. Although Saints do seem to have been more ruthless with their coaching staff over the years...I think.
Something is obviously not working - current form is too poor to be simply a case of holding back our form to peak later in the season.
We have had times under Tony Smith when every player seemed to underperform, and the team seemed to have no plan. He turned it around, no reason to believe the current setup can't do the same.

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Unreal - it is precisely that this is hurting us the lack of quality - perhaps if we brought a right centre in who played to his potential might help - who is to say he will play below his potential.

This is a pretty weak squad - no longer the dominant force it was - teams like Huddersfield have strengthened both with overseas and youngsters, Saints have an abundance of youngsters and we have a weaker squad than last year - could be why we are struggling a bit.

The wins in 2007 and 2008 covered up much of what had been a gradual decline in squad quality - 2009 has seen this decline really being exposed

We have a great player to play right centre. Unfortunately, he's had to play fullback at the start of the season, and is currently out injured. He'll fit in fine there once back. Of course, that won't cause the team to suddenly pick up form.

Our squad is significantly better than the likes of Wigan, Huddersfield, Hull and Warrington. I know you're a pessimistic defeatist Dave, but that's ridiculous.

In this salary cap era, it just isn't possible to have the kind of depth that means you can leave out the likes of Burrow, Webb, Senior, JJB, Kirke, Diskin and bring in reserves of equal quality. That's the whole point of the cap - that richer teams don't stockpile the talent, and then keep it in reserve.

The fact that Saints worked around their squad limitations and beat us with their equivalent of JJB at scrum half imagine your criticism of our squad depth if we played JJB in the halves!) just proves that it isn't the squad depth that's the issue, it's how they play.

Well, why would he be any different to the rest of the Rhinos squad?

No Saints played the equivelent of Sinfield at scrum half - Wilkins is their stand off - you are the only person who thinks otherwise - not a second row forward - this is what you do when your arguement has been found out - do you think their would be much uproar if Sinfield and McGuire played in the halves - it was like when you compared the squads you moved all the players round to suit your arguement - pathetic.

Do the comparison with Huddersfield and see if you still agree and with Wigan - but don't move the players round and see if you arguement still stands up!!

Dave, if Wilkin is their stand off, who is Leon Pryce?

How many of Wigan's or Huddersfield's players would you take over their equivalent at Leeds?

pryce played scrum half in that game

Thought the two of them split the playmaking pretty much evenly betwen them, and though Wilkin took on most of the kicking.
Yet Saints were able to work around that, and still beat us.

Richie, you seem to be saying that "it's all down to the coach", without actually saying "it's all down to the coach".

or am I reading you wrong????

Exactly as Leeds would do if Burroe didn't play Sinfield would play 6 and McGuire at 7 - Saints played Wilkin at 6 their 13 same as Sinfield and Pryce at 7 - they didn't play Flannery - JJB equivelent at 6 - again all you are doing is trying to twist stuff just accept you are wrong and move on.

Of the Huddersfield squad

Hodgson, Whatuira,David Hodgson,Robinson,Crabtree, Griffin,Wild, Finnigan, Lawrence, Moore all of whom are better than their counterparts in the Rhinos squad and they have a winger currently playing at Batley who is potentially the next Offiah in the right hands. Their juniors are now beating ours pretty easily!!!

i wouldn't agree with that assessment david. robinson better than burrow?
no chance.

what i will say is if there was one season we needed a large squad it's this one,what with the quick turnaround after the world cup.players will need plenty of rest this season.
we have the smallest squad we have had in a while with NO spare players in the forwards.
all this while still well under the cap.
will the sleeve not let him spend it?
does the coach not want to spend it?
when did we last spend the full cap.