At the time he was behind jjb,ellis,kirke and ali in the pecking order for second row so i disagree with that.

Senior and the right centre swapped places during the GF. This in the opinion of many was one of the key reasons why leeds won the GF

The answer to that would almost certainly get me banned.

he may have done, but considering the quality and experience of the other players in his position, any games he would have been played would have been influenced by his ability to cover a number of positions. Much like Tansey was used.

But I still dont get what that has got to do with what I was arguing. Right/Left/ up the middle it makes no difference. Ablett was still moved from the centre position to second row.

And by the way I too am one of those many who thought swiching the centres was the key reason Leeds won the GF. Hence what I have been saying all along.

Ablett started 7 games in the second row last season (and 15 at centre)

True, and a number in 2007 I'm sure too. Howvere, how many of these would he have started if he was an out and out second row? No-one will know for certain.

I guess that DHM is saying that he thinks that swapping senior to right centre and Ellis/Ablett to left centre was more key than switching Ablett and Ellis between second row and centre.

Also, you seem to have ignored my point that we don't know for certain that Ellis wasn't moved from second row, rather than Ablett being moved from centre

well defensively we struggle on that side, more than the other it seemed to me, also imo Ablett lacks enough agility to be a first choice centre, he often gets stood up



they exploited it to a degree, that degree wasnt enough as we won the GF, but we could have done more imo, and we shouldnt stop striving for more



there isnt, but he makes plenty of rookie mistakes, seems to tire, and his body doesnt seem fully mature to me (i mean that in the straightest possible way) which is mainly because it isnt, he hasnt finished growing, his bones dont have their adult strength yet and playing too much from a young age is dangerous



on form he probably is, if Watkins was ready he would be there, he would be trusted to play with ryan hall outside him, and the coach would want them playing together as much as possible so they can strike up a quality partnership which would benefit leeds for years to come,

the facts are he is clearly (imo) being protected by bluey, which is great, but which shows us for big games, maybe Watkins isnt the answer



well we bid for soliola who is top top quality player who wont have come cheap after getting eastwood and buderus, we since havent brought eastwood in so we have at the very least eastwoods wage and soliolas who will both be on a good wedge in rl terms



Adam Mcdougall could do a year, Ty Williams could probably be got, Id have a look at how fit Matt Geyer has kept himself, maybe have a word with the Warriors, see if we could get Mannering if they are wanting Crocker or Eastwood, if Soliola isnt over his injuries then have a look at his team mate Sa




better use of it than it sitting in the bank, why would you think that it would affect morale to have competition in the backs,

and if we went for experience of Williams, Mcdougall or Geyer then we tell them to earn their next contract, if its a Mannering, Soliola or Sa then they have a shirt for next year anyway when Senior goes and can cover elsewhere anyway



no, this guy will play and it is up to Watkins to displace him, Watkins doesnt deserve a free run at that spot, it isnt his and he hasnt yet earned it, if he has the potential we think he has which is not to be a good player, but a truly world class player then he will displace whoever we bring in, if he isnt, then his development isnt hampered by only playing 15 games this year instead of 25



i like the blind faith you have in the leeds youth system that means not only can we replace pretty much everyone who leaves/retires with an academy product, but that they will magically be ready as soon as that person retires/leaves, even in unexpected cases caused by injury like Toopi's,

if Toopi hadnt suffered his injury we wouldnt be talking about this, Watkins would be in reserve and we wouldnt be having this conversation,

and if that was the case, i really cant imagine you, after how watkins has performed so far this season, proclaiming that 4 games into the season we should release toopi and make Watkins centre, just because Toopi got injured doesnt mean Watkins is any more ready

and usually all four of those played, any injuries or suspensions to those (of which Ali and Kirke had plenty last year) Ablett would have been first in

Bolloxs to all that, what I want to know is how you replied to a comment three minutes before I made it.

I'm psychic

I can also move things with my mind, and scalp people using my fingers

I have not ignored your point. I am just not disputing it, it might be valid. But it still does not go against my point that Ablett was not the centre winning the GF. He started there yes, but after 10 minutes he was out of there.