I have to say I dont think some did give their all for the full 80 mins. I can think of occasions where Smith, Holroyd, Oledski and Newman all stood off tackle just sticking an arm out. McMeeken just seemed to stand up in every tackle almost laughing at them.

Totally agree with you regarding Smith, several weeks ago I would have said give him another season . I have changed my opinion he should go the sooner the better. We are at rock bottom no decent signings on the horizon, it’s quite bizarre that after losing 15 games he is still in his post.
Let’s not forget we were extremely lucky to beat Warrington that would have made our position even worse. The two poorest teams in the league cas and Wakefield have both defeated us. Obviously the rest of the league will be having a good laugh at our expense and why not. However a weak Leeds team will be a disaster for super league. It will mean years of Wigan/Saints domination not an ideal scenario for the neutral observer.
Sadly this situation is not an overnight fix we are that bad , ironic we are the best supported team in the league. What an absolute shambles.

Well, he transformed the team once. Admittedly it is going to be a much bigger ask next season, but he has time. All we can do is wait and see who we sign, and how the team go early next season. If Smith continues to disappoint I'm sure it won't be long before he's shown the door.

I have no idea how the changes Smith is supposedly leading behind the scenes at the club are going. If he's making a really positive change there it should start to bear more fruit for the first team at some point, but if it is more spin from the likes of GH and JJB then no doubt we'll start hearing more stories about things not working.

RS has got rid of a huge amount of dead wood (Sutcliffe, Dwyer etc) and is trying to bring in a better quality roster.

Miller looks okay although my worry is his D; Frawley has been playing finals first grade in the NRL. Goudemand no idea.

McDonnell has been a really good find.

The big signings are still to come with the 7 and 4. There are a couple of options out there so let’s see what we come up with.

Gone are the days where Leeds can just sign a Peacock or Buderus or Harris to spur us on. We need to accept that.

However we do desperately need a couple of under-radar signings like Leuluai and Donald and maybe Garbutt.

The only really way Leeds are gonna compete again sustainably is through the youth development and we simply haven’t produced enough quality there for a decade.

Smith, Holroyd and Oledski must be knackered. Newman doesn't seem settled but not sure what he can do with no real pack and no half backs. It's certainly a mess.

I think Newman is playing injured. He picked up a knock at Hull and given his lack of speed and commitment on the intercept yesterday I’d say he isn’t 100%.

He wasn’t great in D a couple of times but then he often isn’t.

Is he really a team player or is he a show boater who causes disruption? Answers on a post card.

Have a look on this thread to see what people expected/hoped for, for starters it wasn't a win or even coming close.

Am I getting the sneaky feeling that you don’t rate Rohan Smith much Tad…?

I know you have the opposite view jim but j just think he is not good enough. I've met him a few times, his son and my grandsons are in the same class, and to be fair he uis likeable. but I just don't see him.imoroving in any way next season.

Well it's been a really dark couple of weeks for the club can't wait for this season to just end. Not even going to comment on yesterday's performance can't add anything to what everyone has pretty much already said. I will wish Leon Ruan a speedy recovery because young kids like him who probably care about the club and want to prove themselves when playing for us is going to be key in getting us out of this rut we are in because our so called senior players haven't held themselves accountable this season for far too many lack luster performances and haven't done for a few seasons now. 1 more game to go and I genuinely couldn't care less about the result as long as we don't get whopped and nilled by a Castleford side who have just avoided Relegation, but you can see it now Blake Austin will either have a world class game and score a hatrick or if its a close game he'll kick the match winning drop goal in golden point heard it here first.

I said a few months ago he has 10 games to turn it round next season.
If he doesn`t who do we bring in and do we have to wait another 2 seasons to get that persons squad together?
His get out of jail at the moment is the number of players who have left the club and the number of injuries we have.
The downside to his tenure is the players he`s brought in are championship standard with the exception of Lisone who might be good with a couple of decent blockbusting props by his side and McDonnell who I have as player of the season.
And there appears to be no structure and no desire to play for the coach.
And can Hetherington ask JJB to decide if he wants to be a pundit on Sky or a Director at Leeds?
Personally I wouldn`t have him doing either.

In full agreement with this.

What happened to his diversity role? Is he still doing that while 'directing'? Within the last 18 months that's three or more different roles he's been involved in at the club. It gives the impression that they don't really know what his strengths are.

His monotonous comments on Sky are getting pretty tiresome. As someone close to the Leeds club he should at least be able to offer more interesting insights into what is going on (without necessarily leaking anything sensitive).

I thought they had given him a seat on the Board of Directors heading up the Diversity stuff?
Pretty much the same but it sounds more important
Might be wrong

Answers on a postcard ffs didn't you watch the game they got their ar@%s handed to them all Newman is the least of the problems a decent man would hold his hand up and say I put this team out today and they followed up the weeks training plan I put together! I'm standing down as I'm incapable of altering my philosophy of how "I" think the team should play.