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| Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "He can't defend stick him in the back row was the bit that puzzled me!!!!!'"
As i said, that could improve with game time. He could be rusty. Missing tackles at centre you concede try's. Missing tackles in the back row you have covering players to back you up. My point was more in the way you seem to want to use him. He isnt a wigers centre so if he is to be used to smash through defences then his weight and power would be more beneficial in the 2nd row. Its just an observation. In response to the poster before you, just because a player comes from the 'holy grail' that is the NRL doesn't make them automatically good in SL. I wasn't here to be controversial or have an argument, its not my style. Just commenting on what i saw.
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| Have you ever watched Leeds??? Our wingers and centres are our forwards. If we move Hurrell to 2nd row he will stand and watch Harry Newman carting ball up the middle.
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| Quote: Superted "Merrin absolutely has to be at 13 - he will play his best rugby playing off the back of a good drive and quick ptb from a proper front rower.
He can do the hard yards, but you don't want him taking those early set hit ups on every set . He should be the next play after the clearing drive, with the defence not quite as set, that way he can either hit the guys behind the ruck to continue getting a roll on through the set, or he can look to offload - he's so much more than just a battering ram.'"
That's the problem we don't have a front rower who can find the floor and create quick ball. Merrin must challenge Furner and demonstrate that Loose Forward is his best position in terms of making a real contribution to the team.
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| Quote: ant1 "That's the problem we don't have a front rower who can find the floor and create quick ball. Merrin must challenge Furner and demonstrate that Loose Forward is his best position in terms of making a real contribution to the team.'"
Thing is, if he isn’t our best forward, why are we paying him more than anyone else? And if he is, we need to keep him on the field for good minutes, he’s no good to us panting on the sidelines.
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| Quote: KaeruJim "Thing is, if he isn’t our best forward, why are we paying him more than anyone else? And if he is, we need to keep him on the field for good minutes, he’s no good to us panting on the sidelines.'"
To be fair to Merrin other than 1 poor tackle I thought he was much improved on Friday.
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| Quote: xparksider "I couldn't agree more. Walker has potential but is not as good as all the hype he gets from Sky commentators and some fans. I think he's guilty of believing all the hype and often thinks he can take on the opposition by himself. For me, Golding, who's heart is in Leeds, may be not so flash but he's more reliable and always gives 100%.'"
Fair comment
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| Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "To be fair to Merrin other than 1 poor tackle I thought he was much improved on Friday.'"
I think he’s a really good player but I’d like to see him in the condition and the position to give us more minutes and be more influential in games. Otherwise I just question whether he was the right way to spank a marquee allowance when there are so many other needs in the squad.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "Fair comment'"
No it was a stupid comment.
Fair enough criticise Walkers performance on Friday, because it wasn’t very good. But let’s not kid ourselves about Golding. His positioning is not good, he loses us momentum getting put back continuously, can’t pass. And there are some short memories here, because Golding has dropped more high balls in a couple of matches together, than Walker has made in all his games for Leeds.
If Walker produces more performances like Friday, then rightly so he will be replaced, and have to re earn the shirt, but until then people should stop the silly knee jerk.
And to talk about heart not Leeds, is really ridiculous. Who else is in that Leeds squad? Walker, Ward, then your looking st the fringe of JJB, Ablett, and youngsters.
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| Sort of agree with what you are saying Gotcha and I do think there's a good player in there.
But it's a long time including last season when I've seen him have a game that makes me think he's the answer to our FB problems.
We need to give him a couple more games and if he does get dropped he needs to fight his way back like Golding should do.
My worry is we go with Sutcliffe at FB.
Golding took some flak on here when things went wrong and you have to expect the same when others play below the standard we expect even though he is very young.
But your admiration for Walker and Newman at this stage makes it look like you have a crush on them which I know is more out of belief in their ability.
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| Walker seems to have carried his form from the England tour into this season, but now isn't the time to drop him, especially when the other options available are inferior to him, and if every young player was dropped after a bad game, there'd be nobody playing the game past 21.
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| Quote: Gotcha "No it was a stupid comment.
Fair enough criticise Walkers performance on Friday, because it wasn’t very good. But let’s not kid ourselves about Golding. His positioning is not good, he loses us momentum getting put back continuously, can’t pass. And there are some short memories here, because Golding has dropped more high balls in a couple of matches together, than Walker has made in all his games for Leeds.
If Walker produces more performances like Friday, then rightly so he will be replaced, and have to re earn the shirt, but until then people should stop the silly knee jerk.
And to talk about heart not Leeds, is really ridiculous. Who else is in that Leeds squad? Walker, Ward, then your looking st the fringe of JJB, Ablett, and youngsters.'"
Because people have different opinions to you does not make them stupid. You have your favourite players, as most fans do, but you are blind to the mistakes of yours and you never report positives in the players you seem to hate.
What is stupid is to say Golding cannot pass and his positioning is not good. I guess you formed your one eyed opinion of Golding after he dropped a few high balls against Huddersfield in difficult windy conditions a couple of years ago. This was at a time when he was in the team on merit above you previous hero Hardaker, who was making a fool of himself at the time. Golding is a talented player with all round rugby skills and is prepared and able to play in more than one key position and he has a great attitude. Walker would do well to follow his example.
I have consistently rated Walker who I think has great promise and I wish him well and believe he should get back on the horse in our next match. However I am not blind to his shortcomings which as other have stated include poor positional play. He is not physically robust enough yet for a SL fullback both in defence and attack and his own passing is not good enough yet. He will learn and he will develop physically , but he not the messiah (yet) and is in danger of believing the hype that surrounds him as he looks to try and beat the defence on almost every occasion when the best rugby decision would be to pass to a teammate in space.
Had Golding played as badly as Walker did the other night you would be the first to call for him to be replaced.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "Because people have different opinions to you does not make them stupid. You have your favourite players, as most fans do, but you are blind to the mistakes of yours and you never report positives in the players you seem to hate.
What is stupid is to say Golding cannot pass and his positioning is not good. I guess you formed your one eyed opinion of Golding after he dropped a few high balls against Huddersfield in difficult windy conditions a couple of years ago. This was at a time when he was in the team on merit above you previous hero Hardaker, who was making a fool of himself at the time. Golding is a talented player with all round rugby skills and is prepared and able to play in more than one key position and he has a great attitude. Walker would do well to follow his example.
I have consistently rated Walker who I think has great promise and I wish him well and believe he should get back on the horse in our next match. However I am not blind to his shortcomings which as other have stated include poor positional play. He is not physically robust enough yet for a SL fullback both in defence and attack and his own passing is not good enough yet. He will learn and he will develop physically , but he not the messiah (yet) and is in danger of believing the hype that surrounds him as he looks to try and beat the defence on almost every occasion when the best rugby decision would be to pass to a teammate in space.
Had Golding played as badly as Walker did the other night you would be the first to call for him to be replaced.'"
I respect anyones opinions who actually see a match, rather than going off highlights on the club site or stats from super league, like you. You see that way you can come up with a true opinion, whether different or not.
You have not consistently rated Walker at all, please do not embarrass your self. You have continuously slated him, calling for Golding to be in at every opportunity, so you are far from been in a position to label others with favourites.
You go on to name an actual match where Golding dropped the ball many times, as I stated just two matches together is more than Walker has done in his entire games for the club, and then you go on to defend Golding for it whilst critisize Walker. So I repeat a stupid comment in this instance.
Golding has been caught out positionally many times over, and he is weak in the contact, that is shown up from watching matches, and stats for your information. He can't pass the same way Walker does, and does not fit into the linking style the new coach wants. Hence the reason Walker was given the role.
For your information, I don't actually believe Walker is the long term answer, and I agree with comments of over hype. But that does not change the knee jerk stupidity some are coming out with after Friday. And Interesting you mention Hardaker, whom of course is generally regarded by most as the best British fullback, and in Super League. I don't think Walker will reach his level, so such a shame Hardaker ruined his career. But of course you never rated him either, which tells me all I need to know about your opinion.
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| Whatever the result on Friday was, Overall it was a much better display from the previous week. Having read this morning that the Rhinos are open for offers for Cuthbertson, Mullally and Parcel it now seems that that the club has made up their mind who they want and who they are prepared to sell or give away. If we can raise a few £'s then maybe we can go out and tempt a decent enough prop forward to join us. Regarding Friday and the display, it was a better performance, generally most of the team played well and its a shame that the Referee had a poor game. He picked up on everything that Leeds did, but seemed to turn a blind eye to some of the decisions for the Wigan team, but if that's what you get playing at home then we will be fine going forward. If we are honest certain players had a poor game, unfortunately when saying on here Walker had a poor game, then the abuse starts and for some reason players like Ash Golding when he wasn't playing gets slated, guys be honest. Singleton had one game against Warrington and he finds himself playing for Featherstone. for whatever reason he was sent there, Furner believed it was in his best interest. Maybe we should send some more players there if simply to get their level of fitness and attitude right. Next game is Salford away, they are top of the league you cannot have players playing who are off form.
If we are all honest Walker is neither a Brent Web or a Zac Hardaker who is without doubt the best full back in the competition. Maybe the option to our full back position is to try and get a experienced full back who can tackle, catch a ball, has positional sense and know when to come into the line.
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| TBH, I have been very critical but even I can say honestly we looked a better side this week than the capitulation at Warrington last week.
We lacked composure and we lacked familiarity between players, both of which will hopefully flourish as the season goes on and we gel as team and that's what I think caught us out in the end (dodgy calls aside).
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| The Criticism of Walker is laughable. He was one of the best players in a poor team performance against Warrington. and in the first 40 against Wigan again I thought he was very good. in the second half, he came up with some errors and was below the standard you expect. But he kept wanting the ball and was trying harder than anyone else to get us going and to create something.
i have seen nothing to suggest he believes his own hype or that his heart isn't at Leeds. I just think he's a Young lad who plays with confidence.
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