| FORUMS > Leeds Rhinos > Completely OT. Guy Gibson and the Dambusters. |
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| Quote: loinertillidie "Hey, the Australians have accepted that the word is not a part of modern day parlance, you only need to put the above colour of shoe polish into a popular search engine to find the furore over the renaming of the stand at Toowoomba Oval, which the local Aborigines actually wanted to retain. it took a UN commitee to get it changed in the end.
What is the problem with accepting that regardless of social or demographic context it is not acceptable now?'"
I fully agree that use of any racial terms is now unacceptable. My point was to defend Guy Gibson being tarred as a racist for using what was in those days a commonly accept name for a colour of shoe polish, coloured pencil etc |
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| Quote: Puig-Aubert "I'd agree with this yet I'd also agree with Gareth about Gibson being racist.
Mainly down to my old friend 'context' again.
In the 1940s racist actions, terminology and attitudes were normal - that's not to say everyone went round in white hoods and met up near burning crosses but that people lived in an era where there were very few non-whites, where white Britain controlled a good chunk of the world's black population and where it was normal (and even understandable) that people wouldn't give too much thought to whether the name of a product or dog might cause offence or even just maintain what were then common beliefs.
A really good book that describes the experiences of Jamaican volunteers in the war (even though fiction) is Andrea Levy's 'Small Island' -one of the best books I've read. Still seems alot better here than America though. I can lend you Mclaren_Field's copy if you like ![]()
I accept your well made point but unless any of the people posting on this thread actually knew Gibson then I do not accept that you should single him out as a racist. It is a serious accusation against a war hero who was risking his life so that our country remained free from the tyrany of real racists. If by calling his dog after name on a tin of shoe polish or the name printed on the side of a coloured pencil is being a racist then that means you have to include the whole population who also used the language of the day.
Would like to read the book though.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "If by calling his dog after name on a tin of shoe polish or the name printed on the side of a coloured pencil is being a racist then that means you have to include the whole population who also used the language of the day.'"
I would, that's my point - that 1940s Britain was an inherently racist society. |
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| Quote: Puig-Aubert "I would, that's my point - that 1940s Britain was an inherently racist society.'"
Growing up in 60s Britain we used to choose sides in games by reciting "Eeny meeny miney mo, catch a niger by his toe..." Thousands of times. |
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| Quote: tigertot "Growing up in 60s Britain we used to choose sides in games by reciting "Eeny meeny miney mo, catch a niger by his toe..." Thousands of times.'"
We also watched the "Black & White Minstrel Show" & even later the execrable "Love Thy Neighbour" & learnt to read, certainly in the 50s, with "Little Black Sambo".
So, yes, we were latently racist without even knowing it.
Things hopefully have changed for the better. |
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I'm outraged. This is just the tip of the PC iceberg. It's time to end this disastrous democratic experiment.
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Remember folks - 9pm tonight, BBC1 - "Small Island"
Set in 1948 the experiences of Hortense, a Jamaican girl who arrives in London with her new husband, ex-RAF who volunteered to help the mother land during the war and was "one of the few" but finds a different sort of life and prejudice when they return three years later.
Fits in just fine with this thread I think, will put the icing on the cake of those who doubt how far we have come in two generations.
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| Quote: Im not Ray Cyst but... "I'm outraged. This is just the tip of the PC iceberg. It's time to end this disastrous democratic experiment.'"
All this PC crap over a bleiding dog.Their all the same when their chained up. |
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| Quote: Puig-Aubert "I would, that's my point - that 1940s Britain was an inherently racist society.'"
Yes but not more so than all the other nations. Racism was not just about colour in those days. And Guy Gobson was still a hero with a VC |
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There's a dead horse somewhere, and it's screaming, "Stop flogging me!"
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| I hope not. I dont like to think of dead animals.It makes me feel sad.
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| Quote: EmmaMur01 "I hope not. I dont like to think of dead animals.It makes me feel sad.
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… me too that’s why when I see the leg of lamb I bough for Christmas day I picture a little, three legged lamb with little crutches hobbling round a country meadow.
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| Quote: LS16_Rhino "… me too that’s why when I see the leg of lamb I bough for Christmas day I picture a little, three legged lamb with little crutches hobbling round a country meadow.'"
...when I look at the turkey crown currently residing in our freezer I see a turkey sitting up in its hospital bed after a double mastectomy... |
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