I never said Goodwin was poor in defence, I said Charnley and Goodwin look a more realistic target than Atkins and Lineham to attack and the lack of testing they had. It wasn't helped by Myler switching back to the left to attack instead of pushing it right.

The Warrington defence was superb right across the board.

You're not having a good 24 hours on here, are you Duckie?

My take on our position. We looked so weak last night. Our forwards aren’t big enough, playing Merrin at prop is a waste of time and money we won’t get the best of him there. Parcell had nothing to work off, as we got dominated. There was no get up and go to meet them in defence, they made easy metres. Tackling was very weak and the basics of not wrapping the ball up, I can’t remember how many offloads they got but wow. Lolohea was nowhere to be seen and same for Myler. Using Hurrell as a utility style prop will only get him injured and not using him at his best. Handley and Briscoe looked pathetic against Charnley and Lineham and were easily brushed aside and rarely made metres. Bringing Dwyer on with 15 minutes to go was a waste as he made an impact as soon as he came on, he should have been used earlier. Ferris tried a bit but was too quiet, Watkins looked a bit scared but that comes naturally he should be ok soon. Stevie Ward tried but got used too much and he will just get inured again as he puts his body on the line. Cuthbertson is not a prob and just got dominated. Singleton made no impact with the size of their pack. Donaldson tried, Jack Walker was quiet aswell. Overall we need size and a general otherwise we will just get ted every week. Very disappointing and so much to work on.

Is Sir Kev starving the likes of Petrou of game time so he’ll get sick of it, find another club and free up some cap space for a big hard Barrie Mac type prop? Time will tell but to have an overseas player (and prop) in the squad and not play them against a big Warrington side doesn’t make sense.

Not sure but got told Peteru had an injury so wasn't playing for that reason. Don't know if it's true or not or what injury was. In truth I don't think it would've made a scrap of difference.

I certainly think the above is the case with certain contracted fringe players but not Peteru at this stage.

You know me FMC.

I’m not sure there will be nany cganges next week, think he will stick with this line up for a 2-3 more games , barring injuries, he then will gave a better idea in who deserves the shirt, i don’t think knee jerk reactions will help anything, its nif like we were beaten 50-0 or anything they had a hot 20 mind befire galf time and that won them the game, last years side would have just bent over and given up. Last night was a disappointment was hoping for more, but its a ling seadon improvnent over next 2-3 weeks is what we need.

You may be right but what is the evidence for your view?
We can’t effect any big improvement without the pack getting some field position and controlling the middle better, end of for me. I’m not convinced we have the props to do that this year, and we’re already playing back rowers in the front row again.

I do wonder if Furner underestimated the wire pack given the team selection. I think Furner will need time to get to grips with coaching over here.

Well, if Peteru isn’t in the first team squad when fit then he’s yet another gonner for 2020. Mullaly looks shot too if we’re playing Merrin over him. There is no point retaining senior squad players like this with Holroyd, Mustapha, Dupree etc coming through.

Now that the dust has settled, the result is pretty much what we should have expected, but the performance was very disappointing.

There wasn’t much intelligence shown with or without the ball, and technique was poor all round. We will struggle to go forward against bigger packs but we knew this before last night. What we didn’t do and I expected us to, was show some sharp with the ball, and draw in players before passing. We looked dumb.

The rebuild was always a 2-3 year thing, and we are clearly playing some players we would prefer not to, probably to send messages to other in the squad that they need to move on, allowing some space to bring in a metre munching prop.

We will improve in the next few weeks, maybe not enough to get some results against the better teams, but most of all the fans need to see some green shoots otherwise the attendances might suffer from a lack of walk ups.

It’s a fine line between success and failure in sport, but we are still on the wrong side of it at the moment.

Could be worse. Could be Wakefield

On paper Singleton's stats were marginally better than Donaldson's

If we do not have the power in the pack to produce decent go forward then the coach should change tactics and move the ball wide and play to our strengths ie the backs. In the game the other night Saints moved the ball wide at every opportunity against Wigan and made far more metres than when they went up the middle.

No they wasn’t. He had more minutes.