Cheers Logger, but don't worry most of us know that things are never as bad, or as good, as they are painted on this forum

Ferres is obviously not fit and short of match practice. My main complaint regarding ferres is he does not seem up for the challenge. At various times at yesterday's game he looked completely uninterested.

Change the record Tad. We know you don't like Mac but really yesterday was down to some poor performances from the players. Our game plan was working ok for the first 30 minutes as we ran at Kelly and kicked to their dangerous running winger which kept both out of the game.

Hull hit a rich seem of form but everything went for them too, including getting away with a forward pass try and an obstruction on Briscoe that led to a try. Soft tries came from basic errors from Mullally, who let Kelly in and a missed tackle and a poor kick both from Watkins resulting in two further tries. The coach should not be blamed for any of these.

The game was not lost by the coach but by Hull being better on the day and it is disrespectful to Hull to say otherwise. Of course I am disappointed that we under-performed but that is sport, but for you and others to lambast our coach when we are second in the league entering the super 8s shows a lack of fair judgement. Perhaps you should stick with your simple round ball game

Perhaps you should get your head out of his arris & stick to spreadsheet & stats assessments! We can all be sarcastic.
Picking a Winger who has not had any confidence all year is the Coaches choice picking an unfit Ferres is the Coaches fault flogging certain pack members all year is the Coaches fault which btw backfired big time when they were blowing after 30 minutes.
The issues highlighted yesterday have been apparent for nearly 2yrs & whilst the players should rightly get some flak as should Hetherington for recruitment but once again absolve the Coach of any blame is as bizarre as it is just simply wrong.
3 times this season the team at the bottom of the League have beat us comfortably & our first real test in the CC we produced that.
2nd & a CC semi are positives on the surface & indeed much better than i expected but scratch the surface & the issues we have were always there.
So as much as you defend him you lack as much "fair judgement" as anyone.

oh gosh. how dare I suggest Brian was anyway to blame.
pathetic. grow up and accept he's perhaps not the uber coach you think he is

Out-numbered, out-drunk, out-sung, out-played.

Oh come on, you can hardly ask someone else to change the record, when you consistently every single time scrape for excuses on defending the coach. Maybe you should change the record.

If poor performances were Once in a blue moon, you might well have a point. But they are not, they are in the majority, so who is supposed to fix that?

Before my comment you had made around half a dozen emotional and imature posts critical of the coach.

I could say that the problem was down to the wrong grass but it is an unlikely scenario.

Largely different players, same coach and similar performances. Now, let me see, where would look to put things right?

When we played Hull at home a few weeks ago, we only managed to win because they were so appalling bad themselves. Wake up and smell what you are shovelling.

no I hadn't. I gave my views and reasons views. yours was a typical response. its not and never will be brians fault. simple as that. no matter what, in your eyes he's never at fault

We can analyse the tactics , the coaching , the players etc forever and a day , but the simple fact are Hull fc we're far too powerful up front for us to live with . This enabled the likes of Sneyd , Kelly and Houghton the time and space to control the game as they liked . The importance of winning the arm wrestle is too often overlooked . The Hull pack were magnificent yesterday and never took a backward step , our pack was shown to be nowhere near strong or aggressive enough . Outmuscled , out enthused , and sadly not really of the required standard at this level .

It reminded me of the old pre-Super League days. We flatter to deceive during the season, winning more than we lose, then when it comes to crunch time, we get hammered.

I think Mcdermotts a bad coach,we look woeduly unorganized and lacking in any structure most games and it feels like we havnt controlled the ptb since he got here,this will lead to the pack being knackerd after 20 mins,this is compounded by having a bench with either unfit players,too many backs or just not using players atall,these are all coaching issues. Imo we'd see a sizeable raise in performance from even some of our lesser players if we had a competent coach who gave the players the best platform to succeed. This isnt just a reaction to yesterday...Iv never rated him.

24 hours later, one thing stands out more than the rest for me of yesterday's performance. There seems to be no hunger about the place anymore. Some might call it professionalism but whatever it is, that will to go further and harder than the other team, it's missing for Leeds these days and it has been for a little while.

The players should shoulder a large portion of the blame for the performance yesterday, or in any individual game, but when you string a series of similar performances together, or ones like we have seen for the last 12-18 months, where when it got tough we folded, you can only look to GH and BMD for they are the ones with the power to change failing players.