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Quote: HBK-aholic "Am I the only one who didn't really think our 'amazing' 25 minutes at the beginning really were that amazing? We were ok..good, even, but we wouldn't have been 16-0 up to a better team on that performance. We benefitted tremendously at the beginning from Saints lack of confidence.

We're not doing badly, or awfully as a team, and I think we're WAY too critical after every loss, but the truth is if we're aiming for a Top 2 League spot, and a win against an in-form Wigan, we can't look to the first 25 minutes as 'great' rugby league.'"


You are right, and as i said in an earlier post with all the ball we were gifted in the first quarter we should have built up a 30 point lead and had the game out of sight.We didnt and got punished.

Thankfuly this season we have racked up plenty of points early and even if we lose our next 2 against Wigan and Hull, our steady run in and no cup involvment should mean a comfortable top 4 finish.However that should not detract from the fact that we should have got the job done tonight from 16 points up against a busted Saints at home.Mcdermott should be giving both barrels at training this week and hopefully we will get a response against Wigan.

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Sinfield was absolutely terrible in that game.

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As said before Sinfield, McGuire and Burrow are poor at the moment.
Sinfield is falling off tackles and is creating nothing.
McGuire has no pace and equally creates nothing.
Burrow is not an 80 minute hooker and runs around like a clockwork mouse.
McShane and Sutcliffe in with Burrow or McGuire "rested" would have been better.
The forwards are very poor and Delaney should not have played yet he was the only one running it in.
Hardaker and JJB both responsible for giving away tries.
Hall has to stop doing that pathetic dance from side to side when running at people.
But he is dangerous from 10 yards out.
Bailey went ok other than that Burrow does not bring his forwards onto the ball.
All in all a pish poor performance against a very average Saints side who had more desire to win tonight.
How many start are we getting against Wigan on Sunday 30 or 40?

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hopefully we will get a response against Wigan.
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Don't hold your breath. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: wigginswarrior "hopefully we will get a response against Wigan.Don't hold your breath.
And so it begins....

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Quote: wigginswarrior "hopefully we will get a response against Wigan.Don't hold your breath.
Im not.

But in the great scheme of things i also wont be losing any sleep because however many we may lose by i know my team will show up when it matters in September and October icon_biggrin.gif

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Awful game from both teams start to finish. A half decent team would have been 30 up after half an hour. That's the worst Saints team I have ever seen.

We are lacking energy at the moment and our inability to pass right is frustrating. If I was Kallum I'd want out as soon as and it'd be justified.

Saints will struggle to make the 8 on what I have seen recently. Leeds need to find something from somewhere otherwise Wigan will score 50 or so next week too.

On the plus side, Vickery played well though icon_lol.gif

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Quote: chapylad "As said before Sinfield, McGuire and Burrow are poor at the moment.
Sinfield is falling off tackles and is creating nothing.
McGuire has no pace and equally creates nothing.
Burrow is not an 80 minute hooker and runs around like a clockwork mouse.
McShane and Sutcliffe in with Burrow or McGuire "rested" would have been better.
The forwards are very poor and Delaney should not have played yet he was the only one running it in.
Hardaker and JJB both responsible for giving away tries.
Hall has to stop doing that pathetic dance from side to side when running at people.
But he is dangerous from 10 yards out.
Bailey went ok other than that Burrow does not bring his forwards onto the ball.
All in all a pish poor performance against a very average Saints side who had more desire to win tonight.
How many start are we getting against Wigan on Sunday 30 or 40?'"


Regards Burrow bringing forwards onto the ball.Nearly every ball he gives is a flat crash ball.Great when you are on the front foot on the back of quick play the balls but some real hospital passes are being given at times.

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Quote: Harrigan "Awful game from both teams start to finish. A half decent team would have been 30 up after half an hour. That's the worst Saints team I have ever seen.

We are lacking energy at the moment and our inability to pass right is frustrating. If I was Kallum I'd want out as soon as and it'd be justified.
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The fact that Delaney plays on the right and never passes the ball, or hasn't got any offload game to speak of doesn't halp.

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Good things: Bailey
JJB


Bad things: Sinfield, Vickery, Hardaker, our painful defence, our awful kicking game

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "The fact that Delaney plays on the right and never passes the ball, or hasn't got any offload game to speak of doesn't halp.'"


I Have to say Achurch looks like he has a bit of potential in the offloading department and i would be tempted to give him a run in the backrow and encourage him to promote the ball.

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Quote: Lawrie L "Good things


What the hell did Vickery do wrong? icon_lol.gif

Also, our kicking game was very good in general. Neither of those were the reason we lost. Anyone who uses Vickery as a scapegoat clearly has a black mark next to his name due to earlier performances.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "The fact that Delaney plays on the right and never passes the ball, or hasn't got any offload game to speak of doesn't halp.'"



You shouldn't have to rely on a 2nd rower passing the ball to get it to your prize centre. There were 2 occasions when we were 4 behind where the ball was begging to be spread right but we went down a crowded left hand blind side and up a blind alley.

Burrow messed up too. Clarkson ran a lovely crash line taking 3 defender out of play to leave the Watkins sweeping round the outside 2 on 1. What did Burrow do?.. Give the suicide ball to Clarkson.

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Quote: Harrigan "What the hell did Vickery do wrong?
Agreed.

Others near me blamed Vickery for that moment in the 1st half when he played the ball and Watkins picked up with his foot on the sideline.....even after watching the reply on the big screen.

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Quote: Harrigan "What the hell did Vickery do wrong?
His lack of pace is an abvious weakness and every time he's played this season teams have targeted him, he offers no threat with the ball, and if a break is made down his side there's no chance of him getting back to cover, see the Makinson try as an example. You're right he isn't the reason we lost, but I find it bizare how he can considered better than the other option at the club.

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