Playing squad is clearly nowhere near good enough. Far more complex and hard to fix than sacking Smith. You could argue the squad is actually weaker than what we started last season with….

Agree the squad is not good enough , but Smith is not improving the team or individuals

Am I wrong in thinking Shawn Wayne applied for the job and Furner got it? He would give them a kick up backside and sort out defence, and maybe get our players playing as a team that is wiling to be there for each other. Yes I know we need forward s but that's not going to happen this year.

I think changing the halves was supposed to fix some of that, and we do look a little better but we’re constantly being overworked in D and being put on the back foot with poor execution and discipline at times.

Honestly if you look back at most of the tries we’ve conceded they are directly from errors/penalties or the set after. Our mistakes are killing us - this isn’t anything new but it’s disappointing that the new recruits have continued some of the problems rather than solved them.

I’d say a starting prop, starting back row, starting right wing as a minimum. We are in quality territory rather than quantity.

We do need to see better from this current side too.

Perhaps the problem is what the coach is asking them to do and that’s what is causing the mistakes? If we had a more sensible game plan, I don’t believe we would be under so much pressure when defending and therefore have a better attacking platform and make less mistakes. The two things are intertwined and the coach is not recognising this by adapting the game plan to suit.

They have to be the right type too. Offer something we don't already have otherwise we have the same squad issues

If they have speed, strength skill and a footballing brain, that should be something we do not have

can sign who you like nothing will will improve until we get rid of the fraud. not that I've faith in hetherington getting the right person in next

I agree. But your last comment is interesting because I feel like every pre-season in the recent past we’ve had to put up with culture chat, where they do a song and a dance about how they’re developing some culture “spirit of the rhinos” or some other mentality related blurb. This pre-season we had Cameron smith rabbiting on about colours, how certain players were this colour and that colour based on how they responded to different types of communication.

Every pre-season we sit through this bollox and then the real business starts and they serve up rubbish and are mid-table. What’s the point?

Saints and Wigan don’t have to do a song and a dance about culture, it just is.

The club has got lost in the mythology of the “golden generation” and keep trying to recapture that spirit.

Just f*cking move on. It’s been nearly a decade.

Yes please.

Or Wane

He can't get it right with best players in the country so no.

Jason Demitreou may be available soon.

Him or Carr would probably be my picks if we did lose Smith. Not sure how Demetriou would view coming to SL at this stage.

I’m still not there yet on a Smith exit. He talks a lot of sense but there was always a lot riding on his decisions on retention and recruitment going into this year; and it looks wobbly.

If we do change coach I would want a 100% proven coach this time; not a punt, not a project, not a tryer but someone very highly rated. Furner, Agar, Smith - none were existing top flight coaches. Leeds is a big big job.

We also need to spend big. There’s no getting around the correlation between squad and results: and you have to pay for good players.