You seem to spend a lot of time reading these "crackpots" You still have not produced one aurgument for remianing or any facts. Only links to what others say. can you not form your own opinion?

Apart from not going to war with each other.

I only started producing links after YOU asked me to produce links, for all the good that's done. Prior to that and throughout this long thread I have offered plenty of my own opinions and arguments for remaining. You'll find a couple of them (no links) on the last page, and plenty more before that.

Provide opinions, get asked for links. Provide links, get asked for opinions. It's the Juan way.

It really is not worth engaging in dialogue with you any more, other than to let others see what you are.

Still waiting for an example over your 4000+ posts on any subject of where you've admitted you might just have got something wrong. You can start with your tariff argument, if you like.

Because it isn't true. It is like saying doctors have an appalling record of saving lives because people still get ill and everyone dies at some point.

Yes they are wrong from time to time, yes often they are dealing with an incomplete picture, and yes they don't operate with 100% certainty, but they are still infinitely better than just hoping for the best.

Correct, a decrease of 5% and an increase of 5% do not cancel each other out.

For example 100 - 5% = 95

95 + 5% = 99.75

or

100 + 5% = 105

105 - 5% = 99.75

Yes I did list a whole bunch of pointsUndoubtedly Project Fear has been the main thrust of the Remain campaign run by by Cameron and Osborne from the very start. You cannot argue with this. I cannot recall anything positive they have said about staying in the EU, just a catalogue of disasters if we leave be it thousands of pounds less in people's pockets, huge unemployment, massive tax rises, renaging on the pensioners triple lock, back of the queue in making trade deals, increases in food, increases in everthing else, the pound plummeting, stock exchanges in melt down, another European war, huge tarriffs, flying in Obama to issues threats to his closest ally etc etc. Then there has been the coordinated personal attacks on the likes of Boris Johnson.

The official Leave campaign has on the whole been positive and optimistic and more up beat with little fear or personal attacks and no threats.[/i




So like I said please explain why these remain negative comments are accurate and positive and why?

And what are the negative and untruthful things that the Leave campaign have said that you allege?

And do you really believe the remain campaign has not spread fear?




Care to name those facts?

An advert at the top of this very website (for me anyway)







I thought the Leave campaign didn't have anything to do with this sort of fear-based propaganda?

Why?

No I never asked you to produce links. I asked you to challenge my points with your own argument and a few facts would help too. Name something positive about remaining in the EU without links other peoples opinions. By all means use others links to back up you view if you have one that is.


It really is not worth engaging in dialogue with you any more, other than to let others see what you are.'"

Did the Leave campaign place these adverts? the Remain campaign are like all bullies they give it out and complain if some comes back at them.

What is the current UK and EU governments position regarding EU membership?

and are they planning to accelerate that membership?

Even if it takes 10 or 20 years eventually they will join based on current policy.

Cameron refused to answer 3 times if he would veto Turkey's membership on TV the other night.

Many things are made abroad but traded in Sterling

The pound is a floating currency and goes up and down against different currencies depending on many factors. If after Brexit our economy remains strong the pound will recover. Also only the negative effects are being discussed. What happens if we have successful dealings in both the EU as it is in their countries interests that they keep selling to one of their best markets.

So you think Mr Dyson wants the pound to fall so it costs him more to buy in the raw materials imported in to Malaysia?

Regardless why should I care even a little bit about how much money a multi-millionaire makes at his Malaysian factory?

We know what successful dealings with the the EU looks like. We have it now.

My apologies. It was DHM who asked me to provide links, not you. It's possible to admit where you've been mistaken - watch and learn.

Also, you peculiar man, I was asked to provide links BECAUSE I'd apparently only been offering MY OWN opinions before that. Of course when I link to and analyse an important George Soros piece it's disregarded by you, although I accept his argument have been beyond you.

What's this on page 13? Oh, that's right, it's two positive arguments, which is two more than you've come up with, without any links to your dreaded "experts". Of course, this is one of my few posts that you haven't edited to oblivion in order facilitate your Straw Man arguments, but that's to be expected.

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"Two really key positive arguments, set aside from the clear economics, and also set aside from the 'fear' and the 'speculation' from overwhelming numbers of 'experts' that seems to not make a blind bit of difference to some, in fact is, in a through the looking glass world, cited as further evidence to vote leave. Anyway:

-40 years of membership of the single market has led to a more outward-looking, more prosperous British nation. There is *nothing* to suggest this will not continue.

-The European Union's founding purpose was to ensure the absence of war. Throughout its existence, member states of the EU have never taken up arms against each other - a remarkable achievement of unity given European history. I'm from the first generation of my family that hasn't fought in a major European war, and I don't want to be from the last"

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Now, I don't expect you to agree with my arguments - given that they're not identical to yours - but I do expect you to have the simple grace to accept they were made.

And I have read your Dyson example. It doesn't address any of the complexities of manufacture and how those prices rise with a weakened pound. That won't be the case for Dyson, because that great patriot manufactures in Malaysia - but for actual British manufacturers it's plain crackers to think any tariff benefit - and who's to say there will even be one outside a powerful trading bloc - will outweigh a significant weakening of Sterling. You really are going so far away from the grain of established economic thinking here that you may as well be on another planet.

Still waiting for an example of where you've ever admitted fallibility in any of your arguments on here. Happy to extend it away from simply this message board and include any incidents from your actual life. Suspect I'll be waiting a long time.