...building on full knee reconstruction does not explain his pish poor decision making or inability to take control of the team (compare and contrast with young Lilley).

As you say Handley (like Keinhorst and Lilley) should not now be dropped and maybe it IS time for Hall to be shipped on. Of the two (T.Briscoe and Hall) I think I would prefer to retain Briscoe.

Achurch - 19 tackles and 0 carries

Even Cameron Smith made 3 carries when he came on.

completely agree about Watkins. One pass from sutcliffe was about 70 miles an hours at his head. Other teams know he is the genuine danger and are up on him quickly. He is not getting any of the sympathetic ball from a sinfield short pass. He is also doing a lot of good work in defence. also agree about penalties and basic errors.

But what do we do if one of our wingers gets injured then? the stupidity of the cap writ large.

Saying that im a big fan of Handley and think he can go as far as he wants.

Zero carries? That's shocking. He should not play again for Leeds. I've said before Baldwinson should be in selected even if that means putting Singleton in second row. He has a bit of pace and certainly can't do any worse than Achurch

Zero carries.

ZERO CARRIES!

Anyone think last years championship player of the year, playing out of position, would have contributed less?

In case of injury we keep developing the kids in our system. I just think I'm my honest opinion Handley is too good to be a back when I speculate our 2 and 5 will be on good money for wingers.

I just think with the cap Handley is good enough to free up space by losing one of Briscoe or Hall

I think you are letting your views on Hardaker cloud your judgement of Golding. Any full back worth his salt would have done better with the high kicks last night. As for quoting statistics regarding Golding and Hardaker, it's pretty pointless. Hardaker is one of the our biggest metre makers week on week, and is always near the top for carries, but that has absolutely nothing to do with Golding's stats or performances. If Hardaker is fit he is a shoe in at full back, he has been one of our best players this season, and has carried the team in certain games. Last weeks injury he received was one that has been coming for a long time, he's had plenty of killer passes when he's been asked to carry the ball from our line, but last week's took the biscuit. Until our forwards become fitter, more aggressive coming away from our line, and the team in general takes on as much responsibility as Hardaker, anyone playing at full back is going to have a real job on his hands. Golding copped for some pearlers from Brough last night, but let's not start trying to make excuses for him by clouding the issue and referencing Hardaker who wasn't even playing.

But we dont have a young player the quality of Handley and expecting to bring one through every couple of years is crazy.

Was pretty disappointed with Singleton as it goes last night.

That is disgusting, he should be nowhere near a Leeds shirt for the rest of the year. Kirke even managed more than that back in the day and he only used to do 5 minute peacock breaks.

Maybe ...but Achurch never playing again for Leeds ought to be a priority now

I think Hicks had him in his crosshairs from minute one, possibly expecting he'd need to keep a close eye on him. A couple of the penalties were no worse than things other people got away with during the game.

Like Ablett, I think he's one of those players that referees pay particular attention to during games.

I'd agree he's had a poor start to the year, I thought he'd really kick on and look at cementing a starting spot this year.

God help us going forward then ...with us having the 2 of them as probably our 1st choice second row pair for the next couple of seasons