So Leeds, Clark and Warrington all agreed it was a "done deal" then, subject to Wire finding a replacement. Did Clark not understand what that meant? So what exactly did Leeds do wrong, it must be something since you've called them unprofessional time and again... did they pull out of the deal or did Wire not find a suitable replacement?

And why bring Aiton into it?

This thread is ridiculous

I don't believe for a minute the Leeds club have confirmed 'done deal' no - I believe they may have discussed terms and also even the mechanics/logistics of a move - but all subject to agreeing terms with the selling club, and that's where there are some issues

1 - If Wire pulled out because of not being able to find a replacement, or because they now have a chauffeur (which has only just been agreed, so how that would effect the Clark move doesn't stack up) this isn't the fault of Leeds - so it's not Leeds being unprofessional as you stated...

2 - On the Westerman front, Leeds clearly ne'er agreed terms with Hull, so again, Leeds are not going to state a 'done deal' to the player when they're not aware of or willing to meet the asking price - it's bonkers to think that.... The player may well have provisionally agreed terms (though I doubt that too) for a potential move.... But it's only potential...

Not sure what your Aiton comment means - nothing to do with Leeds telling players 'done deal' and being unprofessional - and I don't remember many people calling him greedy, most accept he's made a fair decision for his family and circumstances....



It's got nothing to do with me hearing about anything... I said I still can't believe the Burgess thing, even though it could add up as I've been told there's a 'world class' signing coming (which coincidentally I was told before the World Cup squad was even announced).... All I was saying was that 'IF' it was true (which would be amazing), there'll be hell on, as I was left under no impression that the 'world class' signing was absolutely not going to be leaked.... So, if Burgess was that signing, and it's got out, someone is being silly leaking it....

But just to reiterate - I highly doubt Burgess will be joining Leeds, and I think you've been led up the garden path on all fronts here..... I hope I'm wrong and your Burgess info is on the money...

But Clark will have known that Warrington hadn't found a replacement for him so why would he consider it a done deal when the key issue to the move going ahead hadn't happened. In fact by your story Warrington changed their minds because they suddenly found someone who could give him a lift.

How is this Leeds' fault for the deal not going through?

People aren't insecure challenging you. Your posts on this have just been full of holes and rightly questioned when you've used your "knowledge" to criticise others for praising Leeds on how they treat players.

Let's also throw in that most, if not all of any conversations Leeds have had will not have been directly with the player. It will have been with their agent, and agents are notorious across all sports for being less than entirely familiar with the truth when putting out stories for public consumption.

So if an agent says something is a "done deal", all that means is that they have agreed personal terms for their client. Doesn't mean the transfer will actually go ahead, as that's not their problem.

This is where I think Andy has hit the nail on the head.
It personal terms have been agreed and either the agent or the player announces a deal has been done then that is a fair presumption to make.
What the agent or the player failed to add is that the clubs need to agree a fee.
Maybe the player thought that had already happened.
Not sure you can say Leeds were un professional in all of this though.
Maybe the player or agent were more so bleating about it before it had been finalised.

I remember this thread. I believe it was around the time Sinfield had announced his switch to union and we were rumoured to have been changing Widdop.

You still confident we've signed (done deal) a world class player who'll light up super league? (Burgess or not)

That's right - and I quoted on that thread that I'd have been underwhelmed with Widdop based on how the 'world class' was emphasised - there was talk of it being someone who would usually be classed as 'marquee' but that Leeds had enough cap space available to do the signing without using the marquee slot... Burgess I suppose would fit the bill as 'world class'...

I'm still confident yes (though it remains to be seen as to whether his and my interpretation of 'world class' are the same), the person isn't the sort to stitch me up, and it wasn't even a conversation about future signings, it came out as part of a different conversation around how the exchange rate has impacted how much UK clubs are paying for overseas players currently, compared with a few years ago and what implications that has on the salary cap and the fact that has stayed static... Hence some previous comments I've made on some of our overseas signings earnings.

I hope you're right! To light up super league is a big call, look forward to seeing this unfold.

Me too... The flip side is that I could well have been sold a dud (though I doubt it) and I'd most definitely be raising the 'what happened to the world class signing you mentioned' question next time I'm doing business with this individual....

Ok I am not doubting your word that certain players have made comments directly to you. But this doesn't mean their version of events is correct. Terms being offered either directly to the player or to his agent could include accommodation etc. But terms on offer are not a done deal or even any sort of a deal but just the first part of a negotiation which like any job offer would have to be confirmed in writing ( ie a contract) and would need an agreement with his present club if were still under contract. Now even the thickest player should understand that until he puts his cross at the bottom of the contract nothing is certain.

Others have posted about a possible signing of Clark being subject to Warrington finding a suitable replacement which is believable. At the same time it was common knowledge that Leeds were scouring the NRL for a hooker and we have been linked with almost any reasonable 9 since Aiton's move to France was announced so Clark must have known that too.

The same goes for the Westerman - he must have known any deal was subject to the clubs agreeing terms.

Heard a rumour westerman will be announced as a Warrington player tonight

Just been speaking to a guy with pretty good links to a big name player who is apparently coming this way.


Ooooh it's pretty easy making stuff up like this, isn't it!?

Done deals are done when contracts are signed and not before.
Plus if i was GH, i'd be a bit worried that one of my staff was leaking transfer activity to people who then go and tell the world on a forum.

You're either a fantasist or you don't respect the person giving you the info.

I know someone at Wire, i get juicy gossip and he's right 90% of the time and i don't even tell my mates or my family, i certainly don't post it on here.

Yes I have wondered whether Gotcha informs this Leeds coach that he goes and spreads this information over the internet and what this Leeds coach would think of that.

I'm not sure this Leeds coach could be described as trustworthy as surely the person higher up at the club who told him surely did so in the belief that he wouldn't go sharing this private information out into the public domain.