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| Quote: Maverick Rhino "Genuine question
I asked it two pages back. Like you I am surprised at the readiness with which people were willing to accept this explanation.
here's a link to the glossary of official laws on the RFL web site.
rlhttps://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/official_laws/2_glossaryrl
Under G grounding the ball is defined as
Grounding the Ball a) Placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands, or b) [sizeExerting downward pressure on the ball with hand or arm[/size, the ball itself being on the ground, or c) Dropping on the ball and covering it with part of the body above the waist and below the neck, the ball itself being on the ground.
So, it appears Cummins was right as McGuire's action doesn't fit a) b) or c)
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| Quote: Maverick Rhino "What makes me curious is that everyone seems to be accepting the explanation, but why is it that no one across all the club forums appears have heard of this "rule" until it was explained on Friday night? The laws of the game possibly haven't been rewritten, in respect of a knock on, in the last 50 years?'"
If there is seperation between the ball carrier and the ball he has to regain possession before it hits the ground (or an opponent) to prevent a knock-on. Was the interpretation for the Iro no try mentioned above from the mid 90's and was still the interpretation for the Menzies and McGuire no tries over the opening two rounds of the Play-Offs.
No doubt plenty get missed but it's also nice to see a few correct calls now and again. |
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| Quote: G1 "I asked it two pages back. Like you I am surprised at the readiness with which people were willing to accept this explanation.
here's a link to the glossary of official laws on the RFL web site.
rlhttps://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/official_laws/2_glossaryrl
Under G grounding the ball is defined as
Grounding the Ball a) Placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands, or b) [sizeExerting downward pressure on the ball with hand or arm[/size, the ball itself being on the ground, or c) Dropping on the ball and covering it with part of the body above the waist and below the neck, the ball itself being on the ground.
So, it appears Cummins was right as McGuire's action doesn't fit a) b) or c)'"
Nice one, "the ball itself being on the ground", being the key bit when combined with the adjudged knock on, as he would therefore have ruled that the ball came out of the hand forward (i.e. separation) so therefore wasn't "in possession" by just being in contact with the forearm.
(I assume there was separation at some point, I can't remember) |
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| Quote: tvoc "
No doubt plenty get missed but it's also nice to see a few correct calls now and again.'"
And therein probably lies the root of my question. I bet it wouldn't take long with access to the sky archives to find errors on this basis. The inconsistency therefore occurring away from Friday night.
(Before you ask, I cant think of any off hand .....  ) |
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| Quote: G1 "...Grounding the Ball a) Placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands, or b) [sizeExerting downward pressure on the ball with hand or arm[/size, the ball itself being on the ground, or c) Dropping on the ball and covering it with part of the body above the waist and below the neck, the ball itself being on the ground.
So, it appears Cummins was right as McGuire's action doesn't fit a) b) or c)'"
Item c) would apply IF I was correct about Lomax having dislodged the ball. |
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| Quote: Maverick Rhino "Nice one, "the ball itself being on the ground", being the key bit when combined with the adjudged knock on, as he would therefore have ruled that the ball came out of the hand forward (i.e. separation) so therefore wasn't "in possession" by just being in contact with the forearm.
(I assume there was separation at some point, I can't remember)'"
Yeah, that is how I interpreted it though if El Barbudo is right about Lomax then C) could, as he says, apply.
Of course it's individual judgement but I assume the VR had no duobts as, if he did, surely he would've given us the benefit of them! |
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| Quote: El Barbudo "Item c) would apply IF I was correct about Lomax having dislodged the ball.'"
Lomax is definitely trying to prevent the ball being grounded but I think he loses contact with the ball before McGuire reaches for the line. Irrespective of the rules I would expect any defender to do what Lomax did & it should be incumbent on the attacker to retain control. I'll invent a new rule & allow ball stealing within 5m of the line. I think the game is far better technically now than when I started watching & playing over 30 years ago but do not remember so much lost ball when stealing in the tackle was allowed. |
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Back to the opening topic
Did Ablett say something to Briers?, a wire fan on the wigan board is assuming some not so nice things were said.
rlhttps://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f
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