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Quote: Juan Cornetto "I seem to remember getting soaked that day in a big 30k+ crowd. Big Jack Fairbank shoulder charged Billy Boston into the paddock and you could hear the contact all around the ground. Should have won on the day. I went to the replay at Central Park and we were outplayed by Ashton and their pack in front a huge crowd (mid week I think?)'"

yes youve got the game I was still at school so missed my first of many trips to Central park for the replay.I remember we were having games at school and the score came through.
Big Jack got sent off with Eric Ashton,but I still maintain,If Geoff Bootle had stepped into touch on his way to scoring ,but maybe it was a blessing in disguise it left us to concentrate on winning the holy grail

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "I went to the replay at Central Park and we were outplayed by Ashton and their pack in front a huge crowd (mid week I think?)'"


The Headingley game was (naturally enough) on the Saturday, the replay at Central Park the following Wednesday.

Quote: Juan Cornetto "Big Jack got sent off with Eric Ashton,but I still maintain,If Geoff Bootle had stepped into touch on his way to scoring '"


Before my time but presumably the Headingley game represented Leeds' best chance particularly after Sayer (Wigan's hooker) had received his marching orders for tripping in the second half. The equalising penalty for Wigan off the sideline must have been a sickener.

What all this has to do with aeroplanes is beyond me though.

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Quote: tvoc "The Headingley game was (naturally enough) on the Saturday, the replay at Central Park the following Wednesday.

Before my time but presumably the Headingley game represented Leeds' best chance particularly after Sayer (Wigan's hooker) had received his marching orders for tripping in the second half. The equalising penalty for Wigan off the sideline must have been a sickener.

What all this has to do with aeroplanes is beyond me though.'"

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Quote: tvoc "The Headingley game was (naturally enough) on the Saturday, the replay at Central Park the following Wednesday.

Before my time but presumably the Headingley game represented Leeds' best chance particularly after Sayer (Wigan's hooker) had received his marching orders for tripping in the second half. The equalising penalty for Wigan off the sideline must have been a sickener.

What all this has to do with aeroplanes is beyond me though.'"


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Actually aeroplanes were a tangent. It was all to do with right & left wingers!

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Quote: tvoc "

So lets kiss goodbye to the enormous investment already made in our Nimrod MRA4 and buy something American off the shelf instead? Is that what they've said they will do, if so i think I missed it. The planes are all but complete (some of them are already) I've seen the new Nimrod perform flypasts at airshows for the past two years. Bugger any hope of deterring a submarine-based blockade of Britain. Presumably that is not expected to happen before the end of the week.

As Nimrod MRA4 is (... er was) primarily designed to carry out anti-submarine warfare and long range surveillance. It takes decades of training and operational experience to build up the knowledge and skills required for such specialist tasks. Therefore, unless there is a plan to buy the USN P-8 Poseidon (or modified P-3 Orions) this capability is lost. No doubt the Government will hope the French, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Norwegians, Pakistanis, Indians, Chinese, Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, Japanese, Koreans, Thais, etc etc etc - all of whom retain this un-needed capability will help Britain out in a crisis!'"



What are your thoughts now that the MRA4 has actually been scrapped?

Typhoon/Eurofighter pilots still not happy to be only getting 6 hours flying per month because of technical faults.

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MY thoughts are much the same as before the deed was done in that the aerial surveillance/defence of this island nation is based on a wing (or not in this case) and a prayer.

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Quote: tvoc "MY thoughts are much the same as before the deed was done in that the aerial surveillance/defence of this island nation is based on a wing (or not in this case) and a prayer.'"


If the decision had been made 10 years ago we could have had a replacement in place now. I was not surprised to learn of the 100+ faults in the latest version but it is amazing to learn that they had not corrected the safety fault that caused the tragic crash of a few years ago.

If ever there was a case of throwing good money after bad it is this one. This highlights the need for a complete overhaul of our defence procurement chiefs who like many of their purchases are not fit for purpose.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Typhoon/Eurofighter pilots still not happy to be only getting 6 hours flying per month because of technical faults.'"


Well they should be chuffed to bits now.

Prime Minister 'Call me Dave' has committed Typhoon into theatre and done so (quite incredibly) despite your heartfelt concerns/reservations of the type.

Why would he do such a thing when it's (according to some) unsuitable and unservicable. Unless of course such comments were unfounded.

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Quote: tvoc "Well they should be chuffed to bits now.

Prime Minister 'Call me Dave' has committed Typhoon into theatre and done so (quite incredibly) despite your heartfelt concerns/reservations of the type.

Why would he do such a thing when it's (according to some) unsuitable and unservicable. Unless of course such comments were unfounded.'"



I thought you would be pleased that finally the Typhoon yesterday made it's long awaited debut in a combat situation - now that its safe to do so!

It's inability to be used for ground attack and the lack of need for this type of aircraft in the modern world other than as a trafic police role at a huge cost still highlights the waste of money. They still have problems with cracks in the fusalage so can't use its full spec. But will be ok for airshows for some time to come!

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "I thought you would be pleased that finally the Typhoon yesterday made it's long awaited debut in a combat situation - now that its safe to do so!'"


Combat?

As previously discussed

www.raf.mod.uk/rafconingsby/news ... 62D70F1FBA

Tooled up Typhoon at Farnbourough 2010: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z5610IS5cU

And from crowd centre: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uacWFtvUp9M

Patience. The Typhoon will be with us for decades. Unfortunately as aircraft numbers (and RAF personel) are reduced by the politicians, without also reducing what they demand of them, the type in question (and it would apply to any type) will be stretched ever more thinly. The earlier than planned for retirement of Jaguar, Tornado F3 and now Harrier plus reduced numbers of airframes all inevitably having a detrimental effect on the introduction of Typhoon in the multi and swing-roles.

Like operating with a smaller playing squad in Super League.
Quote: Juan Cornetto "I thought you would be pleased that finally the Typhoon yesterday made it's long awaited debut in a combat situation - now that its safe to do so!'"


Combat?

As previously discussed

www.raf.mod.uk/rafconingsby/news ... 62D70F1FBA

Tooled up Typhoon at Farnbourough 2010: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z5610IS5cU

And from crowd centre: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uacWFtvUp9M

Patience. The Typhoon will be with us for decades. Unfortunately as aircraft numbers (and RAF personel) are reduced by the politicians, without also reducing what they demand of them, the type in question (and it would apply to any type) will be stretched ever more thinly. The earlier than planned for retirement of Jaguar, Tornado F3 and now Harrier plus reduced numbers of airframes all inevitably having a detrimental effect on the introduction of Typhoon in the multi and swing-roles.

Like operating with a smaller playing squad in Super League.


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Quote: tvoc "Combat?

As previously discussed:

Typhoons replaced Tornado F3's of the '1435 flight' in September 2009 at RAF Mount Pleasant on the Falkland Islands.

3 Squadron Typhoons at RAF Coningsby have been on force in the QRA interceptor role for the Southern sector UK air defence since mid 2007.

Depends how you define 'combat' while recognising for there to be 'combat' in the terms of reference as apply to the Middle-East, the politicians first have to fail.


And a squad of just Robbie Burrows at that.... Small, fast and agile all but not always fit for purpose.

We need more JJB's ( A - 10's ) and Seniors ( F/ A - 18 's ) to flesh out the squad. Some cheaper but useful new McShanes ( Gripens ) might be useful too.

Would certainly make for better airshows anyway.

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Quote: nantwichexile "And a squad of just Robbie Burrows at that.... Small, fast and agile all but not always fit for purpose.

We need more JJB's ( A - 10's ) and Seniors ( F/ A - 18 's ) to flesh out the squad. Some cheaper but useful new McShanes ( Gripens ) might be useful too.

Would certainly make for better airshows anyway.'"


.... Like you perhaps TVOC, however, I am certainly nostalic for more Stevie Pitchfords ( Vulcans ) ... The days when players ( aircraft ) had much more clearly defined, specific, no compromised roles

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Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II - Great name, great plane. An airframe basically built around a gatling gun. Seen them on the ranges at RAF Wainfleet a couple of times on live firing exercises. The ranges are sadly no more.

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No perhaps about it. Three planes designed and in service to do one job now sadly reduced to one plane to do three jobs. Progress - you can keep it.

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Quote: tvoc "Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II - Great name, great plane. An airframe basically built around a gatling gun. Seen them on the ranges at RAF Wainfleet a couple of times on live firing exercises. The ranges are sadly no more.

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No perhaps about it. Three planes designed and in service to do one job now sadly reduced to one plane to do three jobs. Progress - you can keep it.'"


I prefer its nick-name ( no offence JJB ) .... So apt. Still the best at its job. A modern day Stormovik. Not a more prettier site to the Libya " rebels " I am sure.

None based close enough though I guess ??

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Quote: tvoc "Combat?

As previously discussed

Combat implies there is some enemy around. The other two deployments are safe ops. So like I said this is the Typhoons first taste of the real thing although I don't think they have fired at anything yet.

You are quite right that the Typhoons have eventually been equipped with some air to ground potential, however this is an add-on and is in no way their primary role. Hence they are being used in an overflying role. In fact Singapore, Soth Korea, Australia, Czech and the Netherlands all rejected the Typhoon in favour of other aircraft mainly because it isn't good enough for ground attack.

The ageing Tornado will remain the mainstay of our ground attack for some time yet. It's 2 man crew, large and varied payload make it the first choice for ground attack and high tech re-con by some margin.

Quote: tvoc "Patience. The Typhoon will be with us for decades. Unfortunately as aircraft numbers (and RAF personel) are reduced by the politicians, without also reducing what they demand of them, the type in question (and it would apply to any type) will be stretched ever more thinly. The earlier than planned for retirement of Jaguar, Tornado F3 and now Harrier plus reduced numbers of airframes all inevitably having a detrimental effect on the introduction of Typhoon in the multi and swing-roles.

Like operating with a smaller playing squad in Super League.'"


Of course the Typhoon will be with us for decades, we have spent all the money on it and now have no other options. But the need for air to air combat has dimished so much that they need to work on its secondary role in ground attack

I regret some of the reduction in aircraft numbers and wish Mr Brown had not left us so much in debt. I would have preferred to have kept the Ark Royal and Harriers. However we had too many pilots who were not getting in the necessary flying hours before the reduction in aircraft.

One of my concerns for some time has been the lack of spare parts that has kept so many of our aircraft grounded over a period of several years.

I think the buying process should be taken away from the MOD who have shown themselves not fit for purpose for procurement. They have caused such a huge waste and delays on delivery that are a major disgrace and our services are now suffering as a consequence.

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