We will see but thats the impression i get too. The youngsters will continue to improve and develop and are getting more game time than anyone expected. The forwards badly missed Mikolaj and Tetevano last night but they will return. Newman back and did well. Theres positives there for sure. We arent far off a squad able to compete again i.dont think.

Still think 9 is an issue personally. Hopefully Corey can get going over next few months with York. Personally i.dont really trust either of our current 9s but weve gone over that before and we wont be adding another 9 for the foreseeable.

I think our first half performances in the previous two games shows we are not far off although I was more disappointed yesterday.

Think we need to accept that we’re not gonna have a settled team for a while.
We’re prone to picking up injuries at the moment.
And the discipline is poor, and with the RFL clamping down on high and tip tackles, we could have a couple out suspended every week!
And add in the COVID track and trace mess….

Some positives to take from the game, but Cats were there for the taking last night and we blew it, whatever excuses we offer.
We didn’t actually play that well in the first 40, just Cats were awful and we took all our chances.
Back down to Earth in second half.
The pack was steam rolled by a bigger, stronger unit.

Discipline has to be the focus this week.
High tackles are lazy and can be driven by tiredness, but the tip tackles are just brain farts and need addressing ASAP!!

Thought Dwyer was terrible last night, missed tackles, woeful service from Dummy Half...100% efrort, but when Agar mentioned the lack of composure, id be amazed if he didnt have Dwyer at the front of his mind.

Agree about Dwyer but that tackle on Kasiano was top drawer.
Not sure why we didn`t keep Leeming in the halves and play Sutcliffe SR.

I’ve never understood what your issue with Leeming is. If he was a bit more explosive in the tackle at times, he’d be top level. But Dwyer, I don’t think people understand how much the headless chicken act saps the energy out of the whole team. It looked like real desperation stuff at the back end of the first half, like we were chasing the game in the last few minutes of the game. Composure and control were needed, but that was the opposite.

I think Leeming is a good player, hes still settling in at Leeds, it takes some more time than others and i think he will get better. Hes played very well recently particularly at Cas and then in the halves. Rightly or wrongly i see 9 as the most important position in the modern game and I place a lot of importance on the position.

The main difference, for me, between SL and the NRL is the accuracy of the pass, a basic fundamental skill. If one pass is slightly out it throws everything out. If that first pass is not exactly where it needs to be the whole play is dead. Leemings pass is nowhere near consistently accurate enough. His defence in the middle of the park isnt tough enough either for me. Hes not consistent enough at the moment.

Dwyer is what he is. You wont reign in him. Hes got to just go and run around like a loon off a slow play the ball. He cant be composed or controlling. Occassionally he can be very effective but more than not hes a total hinderance and nuisance. His passing is truly awful, you dont know when he will run or pass. He must be a nightmare for his half backs. I know Kevin wouldve strangled him if he had to play with him yet hes given him a new deal which is something i find both funny and frustrating.

I know im overly harsh on our 9s. I do accept that. Its a vital and simple role but very few in this country do it well. I dont want highlight plays. I just want a ball delivered to, when and how the 1st receiver wants it.

I hope that answers you Les.

l agree regarding Leeming, I think he has done well in the halves. The downside to that is that Dwyer is then required to play the full game at hooker which is usually a bit of a struggle. That said last night was probably Dwyer's worst game for a while after playing off the bench

Agree with what Marty’s saying here but right now both hookers are shot. We have overplayed both of them.

Can’t fault Agar’s comments in the presser, very honest. Like I said I think he bears some responsibility for selections leading some players inevitably to this place: but a few too many were off last night and some like Gale don’t actually have the fatigue excuse.

Bright lights: did like Smith’s performance. Hurrell was hardest trying player on the pitch. Newman solid return although I do wish he’s pass the ball. Myler looks a real handful joining the line and adds so much to that left hand side. Mellor had been going well for a good while now. Holroyd was OK. Other than that…

It certainly does. I agree that 9 is the most important position on the pitch, and it’s a position I feel we’ve neglected since we had Paul Aiton. I think Leeming’s distribution is decent, but perhaps I’m just comparing it to Dwyer’s. To be fair, there aren’t many decent no.9s playing in SL right now.

Not many at all mate.

Cannot understand all the rubbish on here about our Number 9’s, but what the hell you guys know more about the game than Agar and his staff.
Say what you want about Dwyer, but your comments are not what Agar thinks about him. Last Friday against Catalans at Headingley, GH said that Dwyer was looking forward to having a rest tonight, yet again he was called upon to play a full game. He put his hand up, no matter how knackered he is, he put his hand up to play. So all you experts , you know who you are, there are a number of players in the team who are running on empty, give them a break, because some of you guys give little or no credit when it is due.

Has anybody said there arent players running on empty? Ive not seen that being said at all.

Has anyone ever criticised Dwyers enthusiasm, energy levels or commitment? Ive only ever seen praise for him for that. Its impossible to criticise any of those from him. Jeez wish every player had his energy. Im Dwyers biggest critic but i will never question his desire, heart and effort no matter how misplaced it is most of the time
Does he give all he has for Leeds? Absolutely. Doesnt mean hes good enough tho for such a key position.

I know Agar's opinion on Dwyer very well.

No.credit?? All i see on here is positivity on the way the team is heading. Are you reading a different forum?

are brodie and marty being told different things or hearing the same differently ,

with everything that's happened can't fault anyone's effort providing some unexpected moments but the weaknesses in the squad at the start of the season still there and in the management compounded y giving us tb for anther year