Or how to go to the line, dummy....and then go yourself. Did it on the last play of last years GF when Warrington had numbers So I started looking out for it and it's something he does a lot.

Constantly hear this every time with not only youngsters but senior players and how poor Leeds are at appealing to them cone contract time. Yet we consistently keep hold of players both senior and youth and they're happy to sign long contracts.

We can't be as bad as the ITK crowd like to make out.

I'm amazed these better-run clubs have any need to chase our youngsters at all.

not a case of ITK as you put it. someone told me. I asked an ex leeds player I know who spoke to a current player who confirmed it. simple as that.
he wants to stay just worried he won't progress as he should. it's well known leeds don't have specialist coaches like other teams. perhaps they should

The non-use of subs is just indefensible. If Ormondroyd was tired and there was never an intent to use him, then its an appalling waste of a sub spot. The game as played at the top level involves rotating forwards off the bench. Not doing that is stupid. Mind you, so is not employing specialist coaches if you have the means to do so.

Thought Saints forwards had the edge on ours.. looked much more explosive. Galloway looks finished to me. Ablett didn't look fit at all still rate him though.
I'd like Leeds to bring in a big powerful metre gaining impact prop for next season salary cap permitting of course.

I think we have that with Garbutt TBH, he didn't look his usual self on Thursday though. We could do with a big off loading unit on the fringes more than anything for me but above all that a game manager to go with Myler for next year is a must.

I think we're prop heavy to be honest. We have too many big plodders in the middle. I'd say cuthbertson and garbutt are two of the best props in SL. Galloway, singleton are ok to be next up in the 17, then mullally, baldwinson, ormandroyd, oledzki are cover.

It's 2nd row we're in desperate need of impact especially with JJB now pretty much a middle man and more recently fat ferres starting at lose. We're left with

Ward - no complaints (apart from maybe injuries)
Albett- desperate need to regain some form
Delaney- injuries
Keinhorst- good interchange/utility

Walters- one of the worst players to play for Leeds since joe Vickey
Cam smith- unproven
Josh Jordan Roberts - unproven

This is the way I see it anyway.

I thought Galloway had one of his better games for us. He, Cuthbertson and Garbutt all had 100m+ games. Compare to Singleton who started and managed just 65m from 13 carries. Last week everybody struggled but Singleton especially so with 7 carries for a grand total of 33m.

He hasn't had a single 100m game all season in 14 outings, a lot of them starts and averages just 72m per game.

Comparison
Cuthbertson - 15 out of 20 games he's done 100m+ with an avg. of 123m
Garbutt - 12 out of 14 games he's done 100m+ with an avg. of 143m
Galloway - 4 out of 8 games he's done 100m+ with an svg. of 102m.

I know Singleton isn't the biggest prop but he needs to offer more metres if he's to justify starting games.

didn't he make a lot of tackles? seemed it

Agreed.

I have also given Mullally a lot of stick on here but he has stepped it up a bit of late and i thought he played really well against Saints, aggressive running and looked to really get involved and mix it up, he clearly has it in him so please keep that up and we may yet have a good squad man in him after all!

Yes I'd agree backrow needs some work. I'd get shut of Galloway and replace with another big impact prop. Galloway reminds me of a tall Mike Oniel...

Wow, would have thought Singletons stats are better than that. that's very average.

Wasn`t Singleton one of the top tacklers on Friday?
If that is the case I could forgive him for not doing the yards.

Tackle wise he did 32 on Thursday and that same number is his average for the season, which is healthy enough but nothing amazing to compensate for poor yardage. Just look at the average gain per carry through the team

Burrow - 9.04
Oledzki - 9.00
Garbutt - 8.48
Ormondroyd - 8.44
Galloway - 8.40
Keinhorst - 8.23
Delaney - 7.87
Walker - 7.86
Ferres - 7.83
Hall - 7.75
Mullally - 7.66
Ablett - 7.29
Briscoe - 7.23
Watkins - 7.09
Sutcliffe - 7.09
Handley - 6.89
Cuthbertson - 6.89
Walters - 6.83
Baldwinson - 6.78
Parcell - 6.67
Ward - 6.57
JJB - 6.38
Moon - 6.24
Golding - 6.19
McGuire - 6.18
SINGLETON - 6.13
Lilley - 5.36

That's shocking for a starting prop (he'd started 12 of his 14 appearances as prop, 1 loose, 1 sub) to be down there with the HB's with lack of pace. See the numbers the others props are doing including Galloway, Mullally, Baldwinson and Ornondroyd and even well behind the likes of much maligned Delaney and Walters. Grabted players have played different amount of games but he still shouldn't be that low down.