Yet they're one of the the most money orientated businesses going. Was the talk of a "39th game" not suggested for revenue purposes?

Which pretty much suggests you are tying yourself in knots and contradicting yourself

Is the "English Prem" really a good example? How many teams have actually won it over how many years?

They don't have a salary cap in the "English Prem" either? Should we scrap that?

In professional sport you do know what the "professional" bit means don't you?

Problem for the emglish Prem is that they would have to cut the league down to about 15/16 teams in order to fit the play off games in and nobodies prepared to suggest that. There is also the problem that by having a knockout competition at the end there would be potential pitfalls for the big 4 which may mean that they are knocked out by a lesser team and could affecttheir qualification for the Champions League.

The big clubs see the Premier League as a means to qualify for the lucrative Champions League anyway, which to them is the play off system.

Over the last ten years 3, so on a par with SL...

Is the english prem a good example? I'd say so due to the fact that the TV bosses and PL could suggest a GF or a 39th game. Would it happen, no!

My point is we already have a knock-out cup in the CC, if we have the GF, what's the point in the CC anymore?

Does this make the CC more financially important to a club than the GF as it generates more cash for the winning team?

The most lucrative single competition in northern hemisphere rugby league is the World Club Championship. More of the proceeds are retained by the competing clubs than either the Challenge Cup or Grand Final.

Is that measured by income, profit, or split of income from the game, or some combination?

Dunno how its' measured but I was told the same by someone at the club. The profits from the 2005 encounter covered the clubs' contribution to the Carnegie stand apparently.

Split of income from the game. IIRC Leeds take more financially out of the gate receipts for a 35,000 crowd at Elland Road than they would for a sell out Wembley for a Challenge Cup Final.

In that case lets have another one built with the proceeds from this years.

That would be a waste of money the other one isn't 2 years old yet.