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| Quote: The Magic Rat "Our side may not be good enough to win the league but they are a better set of players than they are showing under Smith. That is the main issue for me. He isnt getting the best out of the players, and hasnt for over a year.'"
Newman, Handley, Cam Smith, McDonnell, Martin and some others have all played well consistently under Smith / played well this year.
What has been consistent IMO is silly errors. I can’t honestly put my finger on why: Smith does not coach professional players to drop the ball. He does need to rein Miller in.
We have been unable to build consistent pressure on the opposition for ever now.
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| The problem is that even *if* we sacked RS, we need to replace him with a top proven quality coach and likely others to help him.
Who would want to come to Leeds that sits in that bracket ?.
We burn through coaches early, skimp on costs and would be starting with another coaches team for two + years.
We are reaping the rewards of doing things cheap, screwing the academy progression, poor retention/ signings / re signings and trying to redesign how RL should be played
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| Quote: KaeruJim "Newman, Handley, Cam Smith, McDonnell, Martin and some others have all played well consistently under Smith / played well this year.
What has been consistent IMO is silly errors. I can’t honestly put my finger on why
Agree about the errors.
The players you mentioned have played well as individuals under Smith, but that is the problem. He has failed to mould them into anything resembling a decent team.
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| Quote: KaeruJim "Newman, Handley, Cam Smith, McDonnell, Martin and some others have all played well consistently under Smith / played well this year.
What has been consistent IMO is silly errors. I can’t honestly put my finger on why
Outsider looking in, Smith is coaching a team with very little basic structure to fall back on when under pressure. Last season he tried to play expansive rugby from anywhere on the pitch worked for a short period but the percentages for consistent success is low.
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The likes of Wigan, Saints and Catalan have great basic defensive structures with controlled attacks, it looks as though Warrington have joined the party as well this season.
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Leeds play too much off the cuff rugby which can break down quickly and they end up under pressure. Hull KR and Salford are similar but perhaps do it a little bit better because of team work, Leeds don't look like a "togetherness team" and Rohan Smith is responsible for that.
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| Rowley is the man for the job , sooner rather than later please
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| Quote: Huddersfield1895 "He's only got a small budget to work with, but at least Salford are entertaining to watch, that can't be said for Leeds at the moment.'"
Correct ! , we are nearly as boring to watch as the Midgets and that tells a depressing story .
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| Playing squad is clearly nowhere near good enough. Far more complex and hard to fix than sacking Smith. You could argue the squad is actually weaker than what we started last season with….
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| Quote: Shabino "Playing squad is clearly nowhere near good enough. Far more complex and hard to fix than sacking Smith. You could argue the squad is actually weaker than what we started last season with….'"
Agree the squad is not good enough , but Smith is not improving the team or individuals
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| Quote: Emagdnim13 "The problem is that even *if* we sacked RS, we need to replace him with a top proven quality coach and likely others to help him.
Who would want to come to Leeds that sits in that bracket ?.
We burn through coaches early, skimp on costs and would be starting with another coaches team for two + years.
We are reaping the rewards of doing things cheap, screwing the academy progression, poor retention/ signings / re signings and trying to redesign how RL should be played'"
Am I wrong in thinking Shawn Wayne applied for the job and Furner got it? He would give them a kick up backside and sort out defence, and maybe get our players playing as a team that is wiling to be there for each other. Yes I know we need forward s but that's not going to happen this year.
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| Quote: The Magic Rat "Agree about the errors.
The players you mentioned have played well as individuals under Smith, but that is the problem. He has failed to mould them into anything resembling a decent team.'"
I think changing the halves was supposed to fix some of that, and we do look a little better but we’re constantly being overworked in D and being put on the back foot with poor execution and discipline at times.
Honestly if you look back at most of the tries we’ve conceded they are directly from errors/penalties or the set after. Our mistakes are killing us - this isn’t anything new but it’s disappointing that the new recruits have continued some of the problems rather than solved them.
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| Quote: Shabino "Playing squad is clearly nowhere near good enough. Far more complex and hard to fix than sacking Smith. You could argue the squad is actually weaker than what we started last season with….'"
I’d say a starting prop, starting back row, starting right wing as a minimum. We are in quality territory rather than quantity.
We do need to see better from this current side too.
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| Quote: KaeruJim "I think changing the halves was supposed to fix some of that, and we do look a little better but we’re constantly being overworked in D and being put on the back foot with poor execution and discipline at times.
Honestly if you look back at most of the tries we’ve conceded they are directly from errors/penalties or the set after. Our mistakes are killing us - this isn’t anything new but it’s disappointing that the new recruits have continued some of the problems rather than solved them.'"
Perhaps the problem is what the coach is asking them to do and that’s what is causing the mistakes? If we had a more sensible game plan, I don’t believe we would be under so much pressure when defending and therefore have a better attacking platform and make less mistakes. The two things are intertwined and the coach is not recognising this by adapting the game plan to suit.
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| Quote: KaeruJim "I’d say a starting prop, starting back row, starting right wing as a minimum. We are in quality territory rather than quantity.
We do need to see better from this current side too.'"
They have to be the right type too. Offer something we don't already have otherwise we have the same squad issues
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| Quote: Emagdnim13 "They have to be the right type too. Offer something we don't already have otherwise we have the same squad issues'"
If they have speed, strength skill and a footballing brain, that should be something we do not have
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| can sign who you like nothing will will improve until we get rid of the fraud. not that I've faith in hetherington getting the right person in next
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