Or you could argue he's only turned up when the rest of the team has played well and maybe he should be dropped? Any halfback can look good when all's well - quality ones drag their side up.

I wonder when Furner left if they considered asking Tony Smith to step in if only to end of season ?

Garbutts been one of the best props in superleague since he got here, no suprise he's doing great for KR, always plenty of hitups and good meters per carry, he was class last night. I like Ava but none of our props seem to take many hit ups, I dont know if its by design or because we'v got headless chickens in our spine, or if they arnt putting there hand up, but we rarly have more than one prop in double figures in hit ups. For me, both starting props should be well into double figures more often than not.

Ok put another way, name a position where leeds are stronger than KR? Best I can come up with is 13, though his discipline was a real let down last night.

For me the game was lost through poor mental preparation and discipline in the first 20 minutes.

We sorted it out towards the end of the first half, but lapsed again in the second. HKR wanted it more than us and TS managed to get their players to channel this in a positive direction, whereas Leeds' indiscipline and panic play stopped us building any pressure.

For these reasons I don't think there's much point in blaming individuals. That said I'm worried about Newman - he hasn't shown us much in attack since Watkins left and is being exposed in defence. Sure he's going to make mistakes as a kid but in this pressure relegation battle I hope his confidence isn't permanently damaged because we have no cover for this position.

He contacted KR to say he was interested in getting back into RL, so I'm sure he did the same with Leeds.

Sloppy and soft at the start of each half, a complete lack of discipline, poor poor kicking game, players charging in defensively to make hits instead of just staying in position.

Terrible performance. Hopefully the team has taken 2 steps forward recently and one backwards last night before moving forward again starting next week.

Make the decision Agar,DROP Myler surely Mclelland cannot be any worse?

I know i’m a bit like a dog with a bone about this... but Peacock had firm ideas when he was our DoR. What somebody needs in that role is good ideas and clear understanding.

You win as a team, you lose as a team. Last night they were all shocking, terrible decisions from the coach down through the team. Why don't they realise that performances like this only increase pressure on the team.

Next week hopefully Hull will rest a few for the CC semi,

Myler's last play options would have been embarrassing in the Fire v Police curtain raiser. He has to be shown the door.

Agar is simply Sinfield's glove puppet.

Yes Kev, No Kev, Anything you say Kev.

Yes and KS is Gary H glove puppet make no mistake

Anyway, Phil Clarke made an excellent point last night (maybe for the first time?)

He said that fans and sometimes players ride a heightened wave of emotion in these situations, if the team wins everything is rosey if the team loses everything thing is bad and were doomed, and it’s a difficult job to not have a balanced view on it.

This forum is testament to that

Still haven't shaken off the "gutted" feeling from last night, very disappointing after some decent showings, I've stuck up for Myler in the past but that was awful.