HB is a specialised position, not just a pack member, and Cam Smith was pants until this season. Alex Sutcliffe bulked up to contest for a 2nd row spot, because he wasn't getting a look in the centres.

HB is a specialised position???? You just said play Dwyer there a few posts ago.

What was your thoughts on Sir Kev and Maggsy after a few SL games out of interest?

Do you think maybe Cam has improved cos hes still a young lad but hes now got a few games under his belt and getting more used to SL????

Kev was a cracking loose forward as it happens. Mcguire was greedy but class. Re: McLelland and Dwyer suggestion. You try something that might work when you're desperate, because Moon did to an extent, not something that definitely won't work. If they'd gone to the video ref, we'd have been nilled 2 games in a row. I'd say that constitutes desperate.

When you look at our performances this season, we’ve been very hit and miss. We got bullied in the first game, our pack was really poor. We then won a couple of games against HKR and Salford that you’d usually expect a Leeds side to win, and then put in a really good performance against a decent Warrington team. We followed that up against TWP, but frankly they are an embarrassment of a club both on and off the field.

Then came the break, and we’ve been shocking since. It almost looks like something happened to Leeds during that break that has really rocked us back. We have a few injuries but so do most clubs, however we look like a bunch of players rather than a team at the moment.

I’m the wider context, we know we weren’t going to win anything this year (or the next two IMHO) but we are now resembling the team that Agar inherited not the one that seemed to be moving in a better direction earlier in the season.

I’m not really bothered about where we are on the league ladder, I’m bothered about where we look like we might go over the next few years. The club just doesn’t seem to know where it wants to go, or how it’s going to get there? Poor signing after poor signing isn’t demonstrating any will to turn things around, and we’ve not come out and shown we want to play the kids whilst signing nobody’s like Thompson.

Long way back to the top isn’t it...

There really is some awful 'insight' on here.

Maybe your memory is longer than mine. McLelland doesn't have that potential IMO though. We need to make the most of our overseas signings going forwards. Needs to be Cuthbertsons last season.

As poor as we were Wigan were not that special.
Cuthbertson drops the ball and Briscoe they score 2 tries.
Their last try looked offside but Briscoes try should not have been allowed so offsets it.
Lacking at prop and Prior plays better at LF.
Cuthbertson does his best but he isn`t a prop.
2 props needed and a winger.
Yes Toms coming back from a bad injury but he is past it.
The idea of playing Liam Sutcliffe at FB has to be a joke by Toosmouth.
We would have been better getting Gareth O`Brien instead of Thompson.

Amazing that McLelland is getting slated for what was a pretty decent game under the circumstances, when he's barely played any first team games. He's come on leaps and bounds since the Bulls game. Talk about fekkwittery!

I wonder how we would have gone without 3-4 totally unforced errors from seasoned pro Adam Cuthbertson. Cut down on those errors and we could well have won the game.

If we go on a really ad losing run like weve seen recent seasons and Agar is suddenly relieved of his job . Who would be the interim coach till the end of season ? JJB ? Oh dear .

Walker or myler at fullback and we cut out some of the errors and we could have conceivably won tonight. Granted that wouldn't make us a quality team but people perhaps would be a little less doom and gloom.

Did Holdroydd only have one spell?

Agar won’t go this season, there’s no relegation, and the season has been disrupted enough for that to be an excuse, not saying I necessarily agree with that but I think anyone wishing for Agar to be sacked anytime before next year will be disappointed

Yep, not having a fullback that chines into the line has really stunted our attack.