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If Burrow is considering leaving, then I would say that something is Rotten in the State of Headingley.

He always expressed his desire to see out his career at Leeds, like many other Players.

I'd be looking at the reasons why players are jumping ship Gary!

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Quote: Middleton_Loiner "If Burrow is considering leaving, then I would say that something is Rotten in the State of Headingley.

He always expressed his desire to see out his career at Leeds, like many other Players.

I'd be looking at the reasons why players are jumping ship Gary!'"

Hardly jumping ship, they cant get rid of some of them! Not even crocked middle aged former players!

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Quote: Seth "Hardly jumping ship, they cant get rid of some of them! Not even crocked middle aged former players!'"


Hardly Crocked Lad, but you keep telling yourself that icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: Middleton_Loiner "Hardly Crocked Lad, but you keep telling yourself that I will, we'll see who's right. Absolute legend in his pomp, a shadow of that even when he was last playing week to week, no disgrace at all for everything he's achieved and his age.

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Burrow I believe is still contracted to the end of 2013 season.It may just be the start of talks about a new deal.Has there been rumours also about Mags rejecting or accepting a new contract

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Burrow remains the most dangerous player at Leeds whatever position he's played in. He's a game breaker and we would be in a much, much worse position without him.

Any team would be desperate to have his talents.

I remain convinced of his qualities at scrum half. Tomy Smith and Brain McLennan were happy with those qualities. Brian McDermott doesn't seem to be (well, some weeks he is).

Of course, he's been helped by playing with a quality stand off and play making loose forward (why don't we go back to that) but he has that x-factor that no other player in the league (bar Tomkins) let alone Leeds has.

Without him last year, we don't reach the grand final let alone win it.

To let him leave would be a great blow to the team.

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Another way of looking at it is. He isn't the best scrum half at the club, and neither is he the best hooker at the club. In truth he isn't in the top 5 in super league in either of those positions anymore.

As both positions are regarded as pivots, and pivotal to a teams success, when you consider we are a salary capped sport, is there really room for a luxury odd job player?

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Another way of looking at it, a more sane way of looking at it, is he IS the best scrum half at the club and he IS the best hooker at the club.

I'm going to have my cake and eat it here I know but Tony Smith and Brian McLennan regarded him as the best scrum half at the club. Coach Mcdermott regards him as the best hooker at the club, based upon team selections.

And didn't he just get capped by England?

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Quote: Gotcha "Another way of looking at it is. He isn't the best scrum half at the club, and neither is he the best hooker at the club. In truth he isn't in the top 5 in super league in either of those positions anymore.

As both positions are regarded as pivots, and pivotal to a teams success, when you consider we are a salary capped sport, is there really room for a luxury odd job player?'"


I think you do burrow a dis service calling him a odd job player. Yes there are better traditional HB out there but burrow is a genuine game breaker and would be a loss to our squad. As G1 said without burrow we wouldn't have made the grand final let alone win it last year.

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Gotcha, is Sam Tomkins really the best full back in the league? He's terrible under the high ball.

He's certainly the best player in the league right now.

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Quote: G1 "Gotcha, is Sam Tomkins really the best full back in the league? He's terrible under the high ball.'"


Nope he isn't. But he is the best fullback Wigan have.

To back up your argument. I never thought Lockyer was the best fullback in the world either, or the best stand off.

But then again, you can't really compare a 2012 Burrow with either of those players mentioned.

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Quote: Ferdy "I think you do burrow a dis service calling him a odd job player. Yes there are better traditional HB out there but burrow is a genuine game breaker and would be a loss to our squad. As G1 said without burrow we wouldn't have made the grand final let alone win it last year.'"


I asked the question, not labelled it. Thanks for agreeing on the point though about better traditional half backs.

Oh, and Burrow coming on as an "odd Job" game breaker won us the GF last year. Buderus was the one who got us to the grand final, Burrow was not a key player in getting there. You see we went with a specialist hooker, and a better player starting at half back.

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Quote: G1 "...Tony Smith and Brian McLennan regarded him as the best scrum half at the club. Coach Mcdermott regards him as the best hooker at the club, based upon team selections...'"


Smith and McLennan will no doubt be very proud to hear that I agree with them, on that point at least. icon_biggrin.gif
Burrow still has that blistering pace and the unerring nose for follow-up, plus that jaw-dropping ability to duck under or jink round and away he goes.
All he needs is an organising General at, say LF ... let me see now, ah yes, Sinfield would fit that bill very nicely.
(I'm not sure but I may have mentioned it before).

As for hooker ... when Diskin left, it must have been because he didn't see where fitted as, seemingly, Buderus was the present and McShane and/or Hood was the future ... I'm not normally one for turning the clock back but I'd have Diskin back, no bother, while we grow someone into the role for the future.
I rather suspect, given the situation at Odsal, he could be tempted by an offer.
He'd boost our defence no end.

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Quote: El Barbudo "Smith and McLennan will no doubt be very proud to hear that I agree with them, on that point at least.
I'd have Diskin back at Headingley too. Diskin and McShane. Hood to develop into the Role for the Future.

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Quote: Gotcha "Another way of looking at it is. He isn't the best scrum half at the club, and neither is he the best hooker at the club. In truth he isn't in the top 5 in super league in either of those positions anymore.

As both positions are regarded as pivots, and pivotal to a teams success, when you consider we are a salary capped sport, is there really room for a luxury odd job player?'"

I think there is a problem labelling a player into a position. The number on someone's back should only be a guide as to what they would be doing. Burrow may not tick all the boxes of a conventional scrum half, and may not tick all the boxes of a conventional hooker, but he ticks a hell of a lot of boxes in things that matter in a game of rugby league. Things like breaks, tackle busts, assists. Whilst posessing these things, and also not showing up too badly in the negative side of things I think you can say he's a damn good rugby player who makes an impact. If he has deficiencies in his game, then someone else should be able to make up for it with their abilities. there arent many Darren Lockyers to go around.

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