ha ha very good!!!

No one ever needs eminding about why Leeds fans are called whinos.

Back to back to back titles and they still find something to moan about.

And there's me thinking it's all because we're a bunch of fookin'alcoholics!!

I actually thought the coverage was better than last year. The addition of Carney to the team, the dropping of the pre-match preamble through the VIP dining room. Phil Clarke actually doing a pre-match summary that was understandable (particle physics and RL is probably not going to capture the imagination). I also though that the commentary was very fair and entertaining.

Good job from Sky.

Carney was streets ahead of the others.

I thought he was a breath of fresh air. Sky seem to like him, I hope he gets to do more work.

Being the past it crock he is,he's gonna need it!!

I honestly believe that Sky are innovative (sometime misguided) and forward thinking with their coverage of Rugby League in general.

If you compare their coverage to that of the BBC you’ll see they are streets adead.

The one (technically two) thing that lets their coverage down are dumb and dumber in the commentary box, the longer these two muppets are allowed to spout their irrelevant drivel the longer they’ll continue to spoil the efforts the rest of the Sky team put in.

Talking to the site's most respected poster earlier about this and we agreed that Sky's camera work is far, far better than the BBC's challenge cup coverage but that the BBC's commentary and presentation styles are much better - no pantomime style commentary, no hype.

Completely agree – BBC commentary – Sky coverage, bingo you’ve cracked it.

I am thinking of paying for Phil Clarke to get a lesson in RL rules, his "we should just give him the try" was something else.

The only gripe I had were as per OP i.e the insistence on using the tracking cam and the helicopter which prevented you from getting a feel for the passage of play. Carney was , as ever excellent and if he doesn't play next year should IMO replace Clarke on the sky team.

They tried something different with the ‘chopper shots’ and tracking cam – it didn’t work too well. Hopefully they will have realise this and not bother with it in future.

Carney would make an excellent replacement for Clarke but TBH I’d rather see a monkey in a suit than Clarke – would be far more entertaining.

its generally hard to fault skys coverage. i watched in glorious HD and the pictures were fantastic. A little more sparing use of their 'innovative' cameras wouldnt go amiss.