I agree, but as far as i'm concerned any player who has said they want away and if true shouldn't even pull on the Leeds jumper from the moment they spoke out. They should be made to train on their own or with the kids and humbled until they are taken off our hands. I wouldn't want anyone playing for Leeds who didn't have their heart in it, and that includes anyone, Bye bye and all the best.

Before I started a mass exodus by throwing unhappy players overboard, I want to know why they were unsettled in the first place. If they've lost heart for the fight that's one thing but if there is serious and widespread unrest for other reason(s) that might be different. But for now its all rumours.

I'm not as black and white about team selection. Quality players are not easy to come by, if they are not producing their best then IMO a better strategy is to fix that using management and coaching. Players (and employees) have a right, if not an obligation, to bring up things that are creating difficulties for them and contributing to underperformance. If you are not particularly articulate, or are not expecting a positive response to criticism asking to leave might be simply a poor way of asking for help.
A poor working environment will usually lead to poor performance and unsettled workers (and I'm not talking about a bit of flooding etc. - it's all about people and relationships).
However, if someone hands their notice in (or sporting equivalent) you either try and convince them they are making a mistake, accept they are leaving and make them work out their notice (generally very hit and miss - usually miss), or say "thanks, leave immediately".

Nail on head for mine

Accepted

Jeff - boot is on the other foot - Leeds want to use Watkins to move to Bath as part of the deal to get Sam Burgess - so would it be OK for Watkins to refuse to play?

Let's just say on tuesday when this is announced shockwaves will be sent through the world!

If I say much more my life will be in danger.

(tuesday comes round and it's Ryan Hall announcing a new lucrative 5 year deal).

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I also know the names of the players involved and I fully understand why the other posters that also know their names will not divulge their identities as this is definitely top secret and that when the full story finally comes out and the reasons as to why it has come about,then everyone will understand when it sends shock waves throughout the whole RL world

I have also been sworn to secrecy and must not under any circumstances reveal their identities but I have decided to ignore this as I think that the players names should be revealed and they are@"*&^%*@~?"£"$% and
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I thought that the first One was obvious but that the second one was not

Has any of this got to do with a piano player and his husband?

Sam Burgess to Leeds?

Really?

You gave that particular wet dream a microgram of credibility?

No I didn't but what I was trying to illustrate is what happens in your scenario when it is the club that want rid of the player?

If that was the scenario, the smart thing for the player in question would be to perform to the best of his abilities in order to alert other clubs to what he has to offer.

Sulky, whining, can't be @rsed, offering folk outside, etc, wouldn't be doing yourself any favours. It's also a mindset which is difficult to overcome or address when the consequences meted out for such attitude and behaviour to date have been somewhat mollycoddlingly lenient.

No because the club are still paying his wages. The club wanted/are getting rid of Achurch but even if he has ill feeling towards the club I'd expect him to be putting in effort/performances if he does want another SL to sign him for next season.

And of course it depends on the manner of the future departure. If a player does it in the right way I don't think many clubs would refuse to play them and vice versa if a player is told in the right way that he's not wanted anymore.

I agree mostly with William on this that if a player doesn't want to play and is doing it in the wrong way then I don't care that much how good they are. I'd rather have, for instance, an eager and willing Keinhorst than a moody/unwilling Watkins (only used as examples, I have no idea if Watkins is or isn't involved in all this before anyone gets excited).
Of course I'd much rather have an eager and willing Watkins.

I get the point about quality of players and lack of them and I think we've seen that to an extent with Hardaker. There is a line and that line is somewhat flexible depending on the players worth to the team, but there is still a line all the same.

I've been told from a very reliable source that Jordan went to see her Hetherington a few weeks ago to discuss his future.
Hetherington told him he was not doing enough to earn a place. Despite not being given the opportunity to do so.

He has offered to play in the 2nd row but being told he is not a 2nd rower. But then they are playing other props in the 2nd row.

It is clear Hetherington and McDermott have not forgiven him for going to New Zealand.

He might not be the only youngster leaving. I've heard sutcliffe is not happy with his contract and Leeds are not prepared to offer him a decent renewal.