So how many of those type of tackles happened yesterday? I am going to suggest zero, so a bit of a mute point.

Sutcliffe doesn’t have ability, not agreeing with that, certainly not ability to play stand off for a super league side. But Gaskell gets away with it. He is very much a common denominator in the regression of Leeds as a club.

Do you know the 4 he missed? I suspect not. I know I don't so how can he be criticised for them on the back of a stats sheet? Crazy. You csnt judge a performance and then change an opinion from looking at a spreadsheet.

He does have ability its nonsense to say he doesn't. He scored a nice try yesterday.. Does he apply that ability often enough? Certainly not. Is he good enough to play stand off for Leeds long term? Certainly not but hes not talentless and to say he has no ability isn't fair.

I disagree with you Marty, and the facts speak for themselves to back that up. On the missed, no I don’t, and coukdn’t say The six for Watkins either, but guess if I watched the match again they would be easy to pick up, and won’t be down to making all out effort to cover 15 yards that you proposed, unless you can pin point an example?But I am not gluten for punishment to watch again, and prefer to look ahead.

Your turning into statto from fantasy football Gotcha I've told you before.

Go on, it may give you a [irye[/i smile.

It doesn’t make it wrong though Marty, and you know that. Give me an example where he ran 15 yards but ultimately missed and it got recorded, and I will hold my hands up. You know it never happened really.

Don’t even watch again when we win these days, the game bad enough to watch at best of times . Always best to look to next game.

Leeds are. We have made panic short term signings both this year and last.
If Leeds were able to not worry about relegation I’m pretty sure none of Crosby, Donaldson, Thompson, Albert would have been signed.

Which shows just how destabilising relegation is for clubs consistently toward the bottom of the table.

If this were the NRL Leeds, London, Hull KR would be able to plan for the next 3-5 years instead of panicking about this one. That’s 25% of the league at a minimum that is negatively affected by relegation.

It doesn’t work in a sport like RL.
In fact the only sport it does work in is football which is so strong and has so many clubs it doesn’t matter if some are weakened by it.

Leeds arent panicking weve given more kids a chance this year than when licensing was around as the club have said the average age of the team yesterday was 24.

That's not the sign of a team in panic mode. Think people forget how young lads like Walker, Oledski and Cam Smith are. Throw in the likes of Newman and Sutcliffe yesterday plus kids like Trout, Holroyd McLelland who have played SL this year already and you can see a long term plan developing. I think a few others will get the nod shortly Dupree is on loan to get experience and lads like Muizz, Johnson, Briadbent, Walters and McConnell await their chance.

London and KR are below us and I see no signs of them in panic mode either ti be fair.

Marty, all of those players except McLelland played before this year, and rightly so. You are ignoring the right point that Him made there. I mean come on, you don’t disagree with his point, because you have pretty much voiced the same previously, just in a different context.

I am sure we will see others come through, but so they should, but I don’t think it will necessarily be the same players a lot mention, and for the right reasons.

I do respect Peter, he's watched a lot over a long time, but I never ever agree with his player ratings!

Very true. It's a very difficult balancing act: it's great that the Championship clubs have the opportunity to gain promotion, and that league is pretty competitive (arguably more entertaining than SL at present).

For me, given RL's particular circumstances, promotion and relegation based basically on one season on the field is bonkers.

It doesn't refresh anything, because the same players end up in SL and the same ones in the divisions below, and if someone stands out they get snapped up by another club anyway... Club facilities, commercial sponsorship opportunities, strategic fit to the game's vision (giggles), support base and junior development infrastructure should be the key factors.

Only time will tell who comes thru in time but you are correct to point out that McDermott gave a few a go prior to this season.

There are times when he's a little "generous" with the ratings given the quality of performance and opposition. If we compared the current squad to the ones from 2004-2011 then the previous bunch would get 50's most weeks...

Barley a flicker...