Wish people would stop going on about age, it means absolutely nothing. You are right on the other points though, and you only have to look around the league to see he is hardly the smallest of the fullbacks. I would say he is stronger than O'Brian for example at Salford. I have no concerns on his strength.

It must do, surely? No-one's saying that you can't be a top level FB at 20, but isn't the point that people developed at different rates and at 20 he has a number of years to improve, so we possibly shouldn't make final decisions on ability/quality etc.quite yet?

It is fair to mention age when judging youngsters as they lack senior level experience and often physical maturity so their performances have every chance of improving.

Overall very happy with the deserved win & i thought we played some good attacking RL at times.
I do however think we made far too many unforced errors that could have bitten back harder & as good as Williams is im not a fan of our D stood there shaking like sh*×#*ng dogs watching him dance through twice.
The Ferres "tackle" imo deserves a 2 game ban there's no doubt Gildart is in an awkward position but the tackler still has a duty of care.
To the whinging pie fans did you all miss Tompkins chicken wing attempt on Cuthbo in the first half or your teams weekly collective sh*#housing?
Wrt individuals Ablett Moon & Watkins were my top 3 & whilst Burrow offered a running threat his passing is repeatedly getting our lads smashed when it can be avoided.
Delaney is half the player he used to be after 2 runs & 3 tackles he's blowing out of his arris & i still dont get the obsession with playing Fwds until they cant walk.
Plenty to build on & a great response after Cas away by all involved but improvement needed if we are to challenge for the top4 & any Silverware.

You say he knew what he was doing, which is obvious, but then you try and justify it by saying Wigan have made bad tackles in the past.
Would you give the same response if he'd done it to Atkins, Bosc, Brough, Chase, Currie etc?
Don't make this a Leeds/Wigan thing. How would you feel if it was your son, or brother he did it to?
Unnecessary, intentional and extremely dangerous.

I've only seen the ferres tackle live and i have to say it didn't look the worse tackle I've ever seen. When a player comes in backwards to the tackle and as the tackler you are trying to tackle the player and stop the ball getting offloaded it's not unexpectedxpected that a player will come under pressure. Add onto that two more players joing the tackle to add weight which is a perfectly common occurrence then things will happen. I'm unclear what ferres was really meant to do.

It also struck me that it was the verbals after that got the ref involved, not the tackle at the time. Then the linesman came on.

Feel free to correct me those that have studied the replays but i felt ferres was hard done by.

Ablett was called offside leading up to one of Williams' trys and instead of conceding the penalty he seemed to avoid getting involved in the play, so close to the line it was a poor decision.

Of course they will improve, but that doesn't stop them being perfectly capable now. Your use of the context was that it was an issue that would improve, there isn't an issue. Had he made a choice that cost a game, a wrong choice, then it would be fair to say he will learn from that as he gets older through experience. But that wasn't the case, the age means nothing.

We often wonder why we are so far behind the NRL, and the constant use of a players age as some form of negative is a reason for that. They pay no attention to age, and only ability. The average age of their sides over there puts us to shame.

I'm not justifying it at all! I'm saying stop whining! As a fan base don't be hypocrites.

I don't understand why nobody is including Golding in the list of our top players.
He defused every high kick - I don't think he dropped a kick all night.
He stopped a certain try with his tackle on Gregson (?)
He also chased back to cut down Escare - no slouch - arguably stopping another try.
Yet all I read about him is his failure to contribute in attack.
Plus he only missed one 2 point kick all evening.
Not a bad game for a rookie in his first full season as the last line of defence.
I too have been critical of him when running the ball out of defence & being pushed back over the line. But how many times did Briscoe or even Hall break a tackle bringing the ball out early in the tackle count & Hall, for all his size & power, was pushed back over the line at one point to concede a goal-line drop out.

Don't make this a Leeds/Wigan thing?

Then why did you start a thread about it on the Pie board.

With your Bull $hit panto outrage. You are nothing but a troll.

Old Feller,
Hall was very good running the ball out last night

In the case of Golding there are those that were very critical of his abilities last year and were surprised he got the No1 shirt. Also some have given him grudging credit for his defensive displays this season and add criticism of his attacking capabilities. Therefore it is perfectly reasonable to mention age in this context. IMO Golding is perfectly capable now but will continue to be even better as he grows older.

In the case of our young props age again has to be a consideration regarding selection and judgement on their performance.

He also showed some good pace to get on Watkins shoulder for his try.

Fwiw i just posted my top3 Golding & Parcell also had very good games