I am against the HoL on principle. But there has to be a place for older, wiser, more experienced people to exert an influence & debate. Some sections of the population don't seem to have learned from the demonisation of the most desperate in society in the 30s & before.

Until we all fall out again that is !!

Totally agree on each point.



It'd not exactly like the HoL because we elect MEP's, who then elect/approve specific positions, similar to our HoC. Although the election of MEP's is on a proportional representation basis, which is what you'd prefer?

Any EU 'meddling' in our laws is minimal, and even so, have they ever blocked something which wasn't for the right reasons?

What the flick are you talking about now? For one thing, you have no idea what the tarriff will be (speculation ok when it's from you, I suppose) and for another you do realise that the falling pound (15-20% is the best guess, and with interest rates at 0.5% there is no room to cut and stimulate the economy as happened after the 1992 ERM crisis) will make everything much more expensive to produce - through fuel, raw materials and everything else that needs to be IMPORTED with a weak currency.

I don't know what your business is, but I hope for your family's and your pool boy's sake that you have a CFO and advisors who actually know what they're doing and don't listen to you.

When you have an unelected moron Lord like Andrew Lloyd-Webber voting on issues, there really is something terribly wrong with the system.

I agree with your point about wiser, experienced experts being involved in the debate, but I don't believe that should be in the HoL.

https://youtu.be/USTypBKEd8Y an expert in the field without all the rhetoric and point scoring

https://youtu.be/USTypBKEd8Y an expert in the field without all the rhetoric and point scoring

Geez, that's some pretty poor understanding of economics right there.

No EU nation has taken up arms against each other in the 40 years of the single market. I think that's a pretty positive achievement given what happened before it, and a real reason beyond the economics to vote Remain.

No I don't think EU electives will gain any mythical new powers.. If remain win.
the status quo will remain... But in the future it won't stop them gaining new powers as they see fit.. And I don't want that to happen..
Mps cock enough things up in this country as it is without the Euro adding to our problems..

Is this not a double edged sword though? If we leave then we are no longer protected by these deals and we will have much more difficulty selling to the EU.



Sorry but I don't understand this at all. Surely our currency falling in value and having a tariff applied to products is a bad thing?

If product A costs 130 Euros then I can buy that for £100 as it stands. Assuming we leave and the Pound becomes the same value as the Euro then I am now paying £130 for the product. But then a 5% tariff is applied to the product making it cost 136.50 Euros in total. I now have to pay £136.50 for this product.

Good point Craig and I can't argue with that but it's not the main reason why I shall vote to leave..

I think he's talking about export tariffs (or EU tariffs on British goods) and conveniently ignoring the other side of the equation, but even in the context of exports it doesn't make any sense.

No one is saying the economists are lying. They just have an appaling record of ever getting a prediction right. Why are you ignoring this