Given the way this thread has descended Rogue's post would be a good place to end it (though I ruined that by posting, I know)

But in doing so how many penalty's does he win and how many does he give away?

Being a good professional is way way more important than showing how tough you are - this is something Graham needs to learn (and something Fielden should have learnt before Mason had to teach him the hard way).

It would seem you are, in that you can understand that you don't play in the front row of one of the World's top teams for a decade under a variety of different coaches, have a low penalty, yellow and red card count against you, win every domestic honour available and see off numerous other young players coming through this countries most productive youth production line without being at least half decent.

Or maybe he's a big windy lucky get?

I know which way I think the evidence points.

This thread does however provide the know nowts a fantastic opportunity to jump off the dunces cliff like a big herd of lemmings, and wow, there sure is a queue!

This is you isn't it? At least you weren't w******g this time (not that we would have been able to make anything out at this resolution).

rlrl

this guy is an utter pipe

Why should they have had 2 year bans? They had traces of ephedrine in their system, a stimulant like caffeine, from a cold cure, stuff like beechams that you can buy anywhere.

So why should they have had 2 year bans?

Graham has conceded 5 times fewer penalties than Bailey this year, despite playing for longer, so not sure what point you're trying to make about their relative discipline and "tough man" routines.

Graham has absolutely nothing to learn from Bailey, unless he wants to learn how to make fewer carries/meters, score fewer tries, set up fewer tries, make more errors, give away more penalties . . . .

Bailey is having a decent season, but lets not be silly about his merits.

Then let's not be silly about Graham's either. Remind me of the last time he put in a match winning performance in a big game - indeed, remind me of the last time he featured on the winning side in a big game. I like Graham and I like the effort he puts in but his effectiveness is often a whole lot less than it's cracked up to be by some.

What?

2 issues here, first of all the assault happened on Mill Hill, so not outside Majestics and secondly I'm actually shocked that you have had to use the deaths of two fans to get a leg up. You are a complete and utter despicable t**t

I'd love to know if you would get out frmo behind your keyboard and state this again nifront of a few Leeds united fans

this guy is just sick. Taking pot shots at 2 family men, the families and mocking the tragic deaths that accured to troll fans is about as low as it gets. You are a disgrace to the human race

IIRC there was an initial altercation outside the nightclub at which point the victim was subsequently pursued and the assault completed on Mill Hill.

I wasn't actually knocking Graham or suggesting that Bailey was a better player (however I appreciate that you are a bit touchy about FGB so I should have been more sensitive).

My real point (and admittedly maybe I wasn't clear enough) is that Graham is a good example of a player that Ryan has got under the skin of and as a result his performances against Leeds last season, IMHO, have been below his usual high standards (because he spent far too much game time charging around trying to prove how tough he is)



Bailey has in fact had about half a dozen consecutive decent seasons in a row at a top club but opposition fans don't notice that - like they don't notice that he rarely gives away penalties, has never been sent off and has very very rarely been sin-binned

And he can't even be d to check his facts instead insinuating that they were "fighting" when in fact they were coldly murdered.