But its been the same old same old since 2018 pretty much, we start poor flounder buff and bluster in the middle then fall short, so hard to be optimistic as it already looks like the writing is on the wall. I’m sure we all want to get proven wrong.

More concerning than the result was the performance. If there was evidence of some intelligence or ideas but execution failed then fair enough, however yet again we look like we met in the car park before the game and picked playing positions out of a hat. Edge defence horrific. All the back bar maybe hall poor. We've exciting players when in space yet never attempted to make space for them. Forwards the less said the better. Don't know what people see in cam smith. Wouldn't be disappointed never to see hackers in a Leeds kit again either. Positives though at least some youngsters should get game time next week

I have calmed down a bit from yesterday, I do have some serious concerns and i might be on my own but it isn’t the forwards.

What I will say is all this talk of season over etc is a bit hysterical after one game.

We've seen Wigan lose without scoring a single point, Catalans get walloped at home against Hull, Hull KR celebrating like they've won a GF after beating Cas by a drop goal in golden point, and currently Warrington are getting beaten and outplayed at Huddersfield.

What I want to see is a response on Saturday

You cannot predict how a season is going to go based on one game, but I can understand people being worried after yesterday. It was the kind of performance that got Rohan Smith sacked, one where the left hand didn’t know what the right hand was doing. We have tthe much maligned Lachie Miller to come back, and not much else if yesterday was classed as our strongest team. The Aussie centre that has never played NRL may come in and be up to scratch, but he may be another “Momster”. Brad Arthur’s had most of them for half a playing season and a full pre season, I’m sure most people are worried about how much more he can squeeze out of this current squad.

yes if i read correctly in to this post , it is saying we have not signed any decent players , so how is anyone expecting us to do much better than last season . you could have Wayne Bennet or his brother Gordon coaching this lot , it would not make much difference as there is little talent to coach.

Oh and the plastic supporters in the plastic South stand create no atmosphere , its like a Library even before we go behind . Knock it down and put the old one back up

As a Wakey fan attending the match yesterday I expected us to beaten by Leeds (not by as many as some fans stated early on this thread) even moreso with some of our 'better' players like Rodwell, Griffin, Atoni, Nikotimo missing from the pack. Our bench was pretty light but as a club we reset last year with a clear attack and defence structure which last season and so far this season has seen us hard to score against. What was really pleasing is that 9 of the starting 17 played throughout the Championship last season. Looking at Leeds there wasn't much cohesion and we matched you and .ore down the middle and the edges. I did think we would get beaten with the sinbinning of Lino but credit to the team they held on. Two key decisions was the disallowed effort by Pratt and try given to Newman, either could have gone either way. Good luck for the season and we will be back soon at Headingly where you can try again

Some interesting stats here showing how weak our pack was https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15etaz ... tid=wwXIfr

Some interesting stats here showing how weak our pack was https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15etaz ... tid=wwXIfr

Quote Trebor1="Trebor1"Some interesting stats here showing how weak our pack was https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15etaz ... tid=wwXIfr'" Not sure that really show how weak our pack was? If Oledzki didn't get a head knock he would have probably made more metres than Mckmeeken - would that show our pack was stronger than theirs? Yes we made slightly less metres per carry but I didn't see our pack get dominanted

Quote Trebor1="Trebor1"Some interesting stats here showing how weak our pack was https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15etaz ... tid=wwXIfr'" Not sure that really show how weak our pack was? If Oledzki didn't get a head knock he would have probably made more metres than Mckmeeken - would that show our pack was stronger than theirs? Yes we made slightly less metres per carry but I didn't see our pack get dominanted

That performance was as bad as any I have seen in last 5 years. Shocking display and a Rohan smith type post match interview. Brad Arthur or Arthur Daley. Total incompetence

Quote Trebor1="Trebor1"Some interesting stats here showing how weak our pack was https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15etaz ... tid=wwXIfr'" Full stats here, not sure how it shows how weak our pack was? https://www.superleague.co.uk/match-centre/report/43416 We had 27 play the balls in the opposition half versus 19 (a rarity last year) Made 38 tackle busts compared to 13 for Wakefield Wakefield had 38 missed tackles compared to our 13. If were going of selected stats that would show our issue was a total lack of attacking threat not being dominated in the pack.

Quote Trebor1="Trebor1"Some interesting stats here showing how weak our pack was https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15etaz ... tid=wwXIfr'" Full stats here, not sure how it shows how weak our pack was? https://www.superleague.co.uk/match-centre/report/43416 We had 27 play the balls in the opposition half versus 19 (a rarity last year) Made 38 tackle busts compared to 13 for Wakefield Wakefield had 38 missed tackles compared to our 13. If were going of selected stats that would show our issue was a total lack of attacking threat not being dominated in the pack.

Then you have a short memory, both Hull away games and saints away last year were far worse.

I would say Second Row is a bigger issue than the pack this year, Gannon needs to be starting instead of Bentley and I would put Cooper Jenkins in instead of McDonnel who I thought was really poor on Saturday