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Well, where to start? IMO Smith has had plenty of time and it's clear, he needs to go.

Croft & Ackers are class players and have shown that in very brief glimpses, but on whole they've been meh. THat for me is down to tactics and coaching and not them as players.

Frawley, please just leave. You're pump.

One thing that I noticed last night. Whenever we had conceded a try and gathered behind the sticks, you would expect the Capt or senior players trying to motivate, or bollock players. There was non of that. Cam Smith just stood looking out of the group. Was he wondering why his hair is shocking? Was he wondering why he ws made captain? Who knows, but he's bang average and not a captain at all.

We have zero line speed, we are weak was water in defence. Mom again brushed off so easy to concede a try. Without Bentley we have little to no aggression in the side. We are just poor and without RS going we arent getting top 6.

Another note. Wilkin is a bell.

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Another abject woeful home display, goal line defence abysmal. Check out the for and against stats on the league table. Absolutely shocking, worst of all the so called top teams. Lee Briers quoted the difference between our league and the NRL is the defence system in Australia is superior. Suggest we get a top defensive coach in asap. Yet again we conceded a virtual walk in try from 10 yards out. Missed Bentley last night, to think some on here don’t rate him. He would definitely have ruffled a few Warrington forwards feathers. The Warrington pack waked around as if they owned the place .
Ironically they did ,our pack was non existent . George Williams gave a master class in rugby league, best of luck to him . Anyone see anything of Croft last night, totally anonymous. Good job Vaughn wasn’t playing, might possibly have put another couple of scores on the total. A sobering thought is we have to still play Warrington, Saints, Catalan again plus Wigan twice. Nailed on 5 defeats, plus the 3 we have already suffered, virtually impossible for a top four finish. Finally body language of our team pathetic, looked like they wanted to be anywhere apart from on the field. Contrast that with Warrington they understandably were enjoying themselves. Looked up for the game from the first minute.

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The amount of soft tries we concede is pathetic. Poor 1 on 1 misses shocking marker play, that's on the players not Rohan Smith for me this group of players mentality is soft and unless it switches we will continue to be a mid table team that coast through super league season after season.

However I think you can question Smith mentality as well, especially when it comes to team selection you can understand carrying a back on the bench incase of injury but when a winger gets injured and you have a winger on the bench I can not understand why you don't make that like for like change but instead put a prop on and make another 3 players movements within your team.

I think something will have to give in next few weeks both Smith and majority of the players need a massive switch in mentality and understand that rugby league is quite a simple game if you want to be successful, got off your line, whack hard and legally in defence, complete your sets, kick and pin your opponents in a corner and in attack run hard and be genuine options.

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Well that was a proper spanking.
But it’s been coming for a while now for me.
We’ve got away with a few this season, either against poor or under par teams.
Wire didn’t have to do too much to win comfortably.

I’ve been to 3 games this season and not really enjoyed any of them.
Things will have to change for me to go again any time soon.
And by that I mean the way we play.
Rohan ball is not for me.

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Bentley is a tigerish defender but he would have got smashed last night. The guy is just too small. Wire were gang tackling and pushing back much bigger lads than Bentley. McDonnell was probably our best last night and they sent a lot of traffic down his side.

In any case it isn’t RSs call that Bentley wasn’t in the side.

Looks like we’re going to get Fus back next game but lose Ash.

Wire really played at us, it’s alright saying they were ordinary but Williams is class and their pack is big and direct. Don’t think they made many mistakes and they just ground us out.

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Quote: KaeruJim "Bentley is a tigerish defender but he would have got smashed last night. The guy is just too small. Wire were gang tackling and pushing back much bigger lads than Bentley. McDonnell was probably our best last night and they sent a lot of traffic down his side.

In any case it isn’t RSs call that Bentley wasn’t in the side.

Looks like we’re going to get Fus back next game but lose Ash.

Wire really played at us, it’s alright saying they were ordinary but Williams is class and their pack is big and direct. Don’t think they made many mistakes and they just ground us out.'"


Their pack was missing their 3 biggest props Jim!!

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Nothing stopping our pack from being direct other than the coach…

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Garry's annual address will be due in a few games time...

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Quote: KaeruJim "Conceding soft tries just before half time is a killer too.

If you watch the game back you’ll see our line speed in D wasn’t terrible all game. You’ll see that most Wire tries came directly from our errors.

We are gifting teams possession and position through errors. It could be argued that some of those errors are down to individuals trying to take on the entire opposition… but I just think we’re out of form right now.

Yes the coach is ultimately responsible for this and RS has work to do. We look like half the side needs a pre-season again already.

Expect Handley to be out for a while with ribs.'"

Once again I admire your optimism (genuinely) out of form ? We’ve never been in form this season. You will never win a majority matches with a lightweight set of forwards and a weak passive defence. Plus one halfback who is obviously not up to standard.

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Quote: Seth "Garry's annual address will be due in a few games time...'"


The booing has started, he will notice that, if we don’t win all of the next 3 games I’d expect him to make a change. The two after that are Catalans and Saints away, we will lose both of them, and shouldn’t wait until after that to make what is now an obvious decision.

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Quote: Simmo71 "Their pack was missing their 3 biggest props Jim!!'"

I know mate I’m not saying it’s rosy! In Harrison Bullock and Fitzgibbon they were still very direct though.

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I think the booing at half time was mainly aimed at the ref. I was surprised how little booing was aimed at Smith when he was on the screen towards the end of the game. No doubt that will change.

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Quote: batleyrhino "Nothing stopping our pack from being direct other than the coach…'"

So Mik and McDonnell went at them (both dropped the ball though). Lisone did too but again, errors.

Holroyd did too but went off concussed; that’s hardly his or RSs fault.

We were missing Sangare for mass. It’s clear our pack struggles when we’re missing any of the big bodies; and we don’t have depth there.

So I don’t see us being coached not to be direct: I do see us lacking the players to enable us to win the middle. This is where I come around to agree with some criticism of RS; I think he’s got the composition of the side wrong. Too many small forwards and too many slow players.

I don’t know how involved GH is on the commercial side of things but if we’re not competitive on salaries for players - we seem to get beaten time and again to signatures. Is that down to RS or GH? Don’t know.

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Quote: KaeruJim "So Mik and McDonnell went at them (both dropped the ball though). Lisone did too but again, errors.

Holroyd did too but went off concussed; that’s hardly his or RSs fault.

We were missing Sangare for mass. It’s clear our pack struggles when we’re missing any of the big bodies; and we don’t have depth there.

So I don’t see us being coached not to be direct

No no Jim, Rohan knows best and is more experienced right icon_wink.gif

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The harsh facts are we have lost half of our games. Have the worst points for and against in the top eight teams. Not forgetting giants still have to play yet still have a superior points difference. This season so far is turning out to be a disaster, my personal opinion is the team is deeply flawed. It’s not impossible to turn the situation around ,but looking at the team and coach it looks highly unlikely ,if not impossible. Definitely have to win the next three games ,shouldn’t be that difficult looking at our opponents. Lose one of those we will have a mountain to climb.

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