The RFL couldn't organise a p1ss up in a brewery at the moment.

Celtic Crusaders franchise, Murrayfield Tragic, Wembley without a big name, the on-off is it an Ashes match, a damp squib of an opening round of play off games with nobody watching, and now a MOS shortlist without a decent choice.

Nigel Wood take a bow.

Is the England - Australia (non Ashes decider) being shown live by the BBC?

Is this tongue in cheek?

I hope Morley gets it.

However, this country, or this club, Leeds, should I say, produced a brilliant 2nd Rower. The NRL made him a brilliant prop. He's been "propping" in this country for the last two/three seasons only so your post was a bit OTT.

For all his talent, Morley is in no way better than Kevin Ward who like Morley, shone in the Australian competition and had better performances at International Level. An absolute legend on both sides of the penines. I remember Ward playing for Cas against Saints at Wheldon Road and it was always a frightening prospect.

Best British prop I've seen play the game is Wardy.

I actually rate Peacock above Morley too, NRL or no NRL.

How do you rate Graham against these two?
Incidentally, I was surprised that in Harry Jepson's articles in our club programme in which he selects his all time best teams from our (Rhinos) opponents based on his 70 years of following RL, he failed to include Wardy in either the Cas or Saints squads.
I always rated him as one of the best & hardest props I've ever seen.

Almost impossible to compare, the game has changed that dramatically in pace and fitness I doubt Ward would have been little more than a Bibey type player in todays climate.

Morley on the other hand is a different animal, the Aussies actually feared him in the NRL, in fact I would go as far to say Morley during his time playing in the NRL was possibly in the top 3 with the likes of Petero Civoniceva and Shane Webcke.

Interesting comment on sky during the Wigan/Cas match, I think it was Phil Clarke, discussing the first Wigan try when Carmont knocked on, I don't know if a freudian slip not but he said "benifit of the doubt to the home side" ??????

oops posted on the wrong thread it's an age thing you know posting where it was meant to go now

Graham is no Kevin Ward. He, like Wardy has the engine to play the full 80 and still be as strong at the end of the game, but Wardy had it all.

I remember him at his pomp, knocking the stuffing out of the Wigan pack in a Lancashire Cup game at Knowsley Road - he was 35.

When you look at the full package he had the ability to bust tackles - an area Graham is not quite as good at as say a Peacock, the stamina and ability to lay up a big hit and the skill to offload without the 'spin' that the props do these days. In fact the latter of these skills made Paul Groves look a world beater.

In terms of the jepson article - my guess is that he chose Cliff Watson as the Saints props with probably Alan Prescott?

Thanks for that. Interesting. Mantle and Nicholls had formidable reputations, but I am surprised Cliff did'nt get in, especially as he won so many caps for GB and generally battered any Australian who got in his way by all accounts. Still having, not having the pleasure of seeing them play in 'the flesh' it's hard for me to call.

Who were the current Leeds players who got in?

Mr Jepson only does this in the club programme for whoever are our opponents for that week, so does not cover the Leeds players.
I'm sure that he has done that previously but I've got to confess the details escapes me. (The clue is in my user name!)
No doubt other's on here - cue tvoc - may be able to find if he has.

Lol. You probably couldn't meet a player who would cause less trouble!!!!!