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Quite a few negatives to take away from the game:

Poor game management
Continued questionable attitude in defence and when supporting breaks
No points scored in the last 20 minutes (IIRC), with a return to the predictable low percentage touch, pass, and prayer.
Ablett's injury

On the positive side, our attack looked good at times. Maybe we should just focus on scoring as many points as possible if players are not interested in doing defence anymore? All Leeds needed to do in the last 10 minutes was to send the message out to continue to play direct and be patient, but instead they panicked. The 'touch and pass' stuff only works on the back of metres made, how dumb are our play-makers? As others have alluded, we are crying out for a real leader on the field...

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Quote: Gotcha "Most incredible stat from game. We missed 28 tackles, which is poor, although pretty much what we have been doing all year, and a massive improvement on a lot of games.

Hull KR however missed 48 tackles, and actually made 57 tackles less in the game, which is an utterly pathetic stat, and something we haven’t even lowered ourselves to yet. And yet we still couldn’t even beat that.

Our right edge of Briscoe, Ward, and Sutcliffe, were responsible for half of our missed tackles.

Peteru should certainly be starting games.

We lose games, and conceed the points we do simply because of our inability to manage a game. There is nobody there to do it. We have the ball, we make the breaks, we make the yardage, but we have absolutely no idea what to do with the ball, and at the end of sets. We kick it up, but no one attack’s it. Nobody is interested in setting something up and executing. As a result we give the ball away and are back on the back foot.

For some reason this club, and a number of fans, have this strange view that if you have been around in the team for years, then you are a leader. They are nit leaders, that is shown weekly, they have done what they have on the back of others. Leaders show much much more than these do in setting the right example. But with halfs who can not mix up a game along with this, you just become the predictable trash you see now.'"


Stats are great and can be used to make any sort of point, especially when trying to get a dig at the opposition.

I’ll give you the only stat that actually matters. Rhinos 36 KR 38

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Quote: Keiththered "Stats are great and can be used to make any sort of point, especially when trying to get a dig at the opposition.

I’ll give you the only stat that actually matters. Rhinos 36 KR 38'"


Why so sensitive? He did not say Leeds deserved to win; the bigger point was more critical of Leeds than HKR. Enjoy your win.

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Quote: Exeter Rhino "Why so sensitive? He did not say Leeds deserved to win; the bigger point was more critical of Leeds than HKR. Enjoy your win.'"


I agree about the problems Rhinos have.

We may have missed more tackles and actually made less tackles overall. These figures are described as utterly pathetic. What is utterly pathetic is that with so much ball you failed to win. Rovers scored one more try and only missed conversions and Danny dropping the ball over the line saved you from a more humiliating defeat. But then stats can be used to make any point you want.

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What the stats show is just what a poor standard the current SL is at - nearly 80 missed tackles in a game is pathetic

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The over reaching financial position must be influencing everything IMHO. I don't know what the debt is for the redevelopment, but I've heard £45m - granted, that includes the cricket side of things. The club's essentially a business, don't forget, and the idea is that you make a profit - otherwise the writing's on the wall.
There were 11000 there yesterday (including, I thought, terrific passionate committed supporters from the far east.....). I'd think that's a good crowd for SL on a Saturday in the late summer. How many will the new ground take ? 20,000 ? Can't see any way to conjure up many more fans now - the opposite will surely apply as Mr Bielsa (hope that's right) attracts thousands more to Elland Road. And people will struggle to pay to support both codes, so something will have to give.
The marketing office's vision may be different but the reality will be a half empty stadium for much of the time (echoes of supporting the Tykes with 2000 in....).
The new prices for 2019 are, inevitably, higher then at present. The dilemma of course is pitching them at a level which will bring in revenue rather then kill off support - only time will tell whether they've got it right.
I agree that the coaches and team need strengthening, but you need money to do that. And as things are progressing there won't be enough.

(BTW I watched Ferres through the game on Sat. What does he do ? A couple of desultory hit ups, and a conspicuous plan to put himself where the action isn't)

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Quote: chapylad "Awful display yet we nearly won.
Why do the commentators and others on here rave about Walker who i thought once again was at fault for a number of their trys, did little on attack and watched Vauvei put the ball over the line when he should have anticipated what could happen.
I could also list the majority of the team who were not up to SL standard.
Both teams played to their position bottom 4'"


I agree and thought he had a poor game. He was out of position for the first try too and made several bad defensive decisions.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I would agree but this side should be good enough to reach the top 8 - this squad is no worse than Wakey, Catalans, Hull - the fact it has delivered even on its potential has in part got to be down to the coach/conditioning'"

while I reading this its so nice to sit back with my hands behind my head and feet up with a smile icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Gotcha "I think people are in some sort of weird time zone if they think we are worse now than when McDermott left. Have we improved? Absolutely not to what we should have done. But let’s nit kid ourselves, we were on a massive downward slide with that chump in charge, he had totally lost the dressing room, and that is the problem that has not recovered. To think we would somehow be better off with him still here is just plain daft.'"
Absolutely no improvement since that "chump" was sacked which would suggest talk he had lost the dressing room is rubbish. You would have expected an immediate reaction if that had been the case.

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Quote: christopher "The kid is 18, he will make mistakes, he has bags of potential but he is playing one of the most difficult positions behind a team with no desire to do the hard work, Walker is the least of our problems.'"


He has just gone 20 not 18 which is all part of the hype! Yes he does have bags of potential and I agree fullback is a very difficult position but some posters have been less forgiving with Golding facing the same difficulties and rarely has a bad game.

Golding is the more experienced player and 3 years more physically developed and IMO is the better defensive player and regularly makes several try saving tackles per match. He is also developing his attacking game and is able to play in several positions including defending the middle. Having had an outstanding game in his last outing with two tries and about 4 try saving tackles he is then dropped in favour of Walker who, despite his great promise, is still a developing project. This was a gamble on the part of Sinfield which failed as was the decision to select Thompson over Smith and to keep playing Sutcliffe at stand off.

We are playing for our very SL lives and we should be selecting our best defensive players. I suspect Sutcliffe is only getting in because we do not have a goal kicker (which in itself shows how poor our recruitment strategy has been) but he rarely puts over the difficult kicks and there are several others who can kick the easy ones.

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We lose games, and conceed the points we do simply because of our inability to manage a game. There is nobody there to do it. We have the ball, we make the breaks, we make the yardage, but we have absolutely no idea what to do with the ball, and at the end of sets. We kick it up, but no one attack’s it. Nobody is interested in setting something up and executing. As a result we give the ball away and are back on the back foot.
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On this we can agree. Myler has been a massive disappointment. Sutcliffe gets repeatedly slated on here but Myler seems to get off Scot free. Are you still bigging him up him as a brilliant player? After we signed him last year I watched his games for Catalan and everything went through Walsh. Myler was a bit part player, it's becoming easy to see why.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "That's obvious to most we are more great shakes than Hull KR Oooops...

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Quote: Sal Paradise "This was a commercial decision - corporate sponsors were turning their back on the club - something had to change. The quality of the rugby most weeks under McDermott has been pretty poor and that is what corporate sponsors were bringing their clients to watch and they had simply had enough.

The club wanted/needed to increase their prices and they now had 20 boxes to sell and another 450 places at top dollar something had to change. Over their shoulder a resurgent Leeds Utd.'"
And sacking BM and appointing Sinfield has improved that? If a change was to be made it should have been done at the end of the season.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I don't understand why people think things will change because McDermott has gone. These players now have a culture instilled in them by McDermott i.e. sloppy training, poor adherence to conditioning and a culture where winning wasn't important as they would selected every week. You cannot simply put back 6/8 months of poor conditioning and mindset in 2 months.

It happens in soccer because even the best sides can be frustrated by a well organised defensive side - Look at Middlesborough on Friday - Pulis' whole footballing rationale is about conditioning and not conceding he hasn't got an attacking bone in his body - that simply doesn't happen in RL - the best side will win in the end in most cases.'"


What ever are you talking about? You speak as though you are a regular on the training field saying things does not make them true!

You state "the culture instilled in them by McDermott". Is this the same culture that enabled the team under BMD to win a record number of Grand Finals/Cup wins?

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Quote: The Magic Rat "On this we can agree. Myler has been a massive disappointment. Sutcliffe gets repeatedly slated on here but Myler seems to get off Scot free. Are you still bigging him up him as a brilliant player? After we signed him last year I watched his games for Catalan and everything went through Walsh. Myler was a bit part player, it's becoming easy to see why.'"


Agree 100%. I've heard/read people saying Myler has been excellent and possible player of the year yet we are a team without structure, organisation, game-management, creativity, a consistently effective kicking game, and good options on the last tackle. These should come from our half backs, but we haven't got a stand off, and the scrum half doesn't provide them either.

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