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Quote: ploinerrhino "0K not been on for a while but this is how i see it .

The Backs select themselves ( though we will miss Hall big style and as well as people think Myler went he is not good enough and the stand off has alot to prove ) , its the forwards where we will struggle . The only go forward player in the pack we had was Garbutt and for what ever reason he has gone . If we go with Suttcliffe and Ferris then god help us . I would go with Singleton ,Parcell and Cuthbertson in the front row , Merrin (who is good but maybe not good enough to be Marquee player) Ward and Smith ( yet to prove himself , but deserves a go ). The bench Ablett if fit , though doubt he will be . JJB , Dwyer and Oledzski . Whatever happens we are more than likely bottom after 4 games and it may be an uphill struggle from then on . Best we can hope for is fifth or sixth but more like 8th or 9th will be the outcome . Lets at least hope for some entertaining Rugby which has been missing for a while , otherwise we will have a half filled stadium at the walk up prices that are being charged .'"



Merrin is quality and easily worth Marquee player status, I just hope he settles in ok!

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Quote: RHINO-MARK " my 1st choice BR is Merrin Ward & C.Smith.'"


My first choice back row too Mark
3 cracking footy players and with plenty of pace too.

Lets buck the trend of using 2nd rowers as nothing more than battering ram type players who aren't encouraged to play what they see during the game.

I just hope that our fans will be patient with our transition should we suffer a poor start or if we lose games along the way.
Let's start the integration of our juniors with the goal of being back at the top table within 3 years and any success prior to that will be a nice bonus

As a fan after watching the 1977 and 1978 CC final wins i had to endure plenty of barren years before we finally became consistently successful

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Quote: ploinerrhino " Best we can hope for is fifth or sixth but more like 8th or 9th will be the outcome . Lets at least hope for some entertaining Rugby which has been missing for a while , otherwise we will have a half filled stadium at the walk up prices that are being charged .'"


Not often that 8th/9th placed teams are noted for entertaining rugby. I get your point though.

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Quote: ploinerrhino "0K not been on for a while but this is how i see it .

The Backs select themselves ( though we will miss Hall big style and as well as people think Myler went he is not good enough and the stand off has alot to prove ) , its the forwards where we will struggle . The only go forward player in the pack we had was Garbutt and for what ever reason he has gone . If we go with Suttcliffe and Ferris then god help us . I would go with Singleton ,Parcell and Cuthbertson in the front row , Merrin (who is good but maybe not good enough to be Marquee player) Ward and Smith ( yet to prove himself , but deserves a go ). The bench Ablett if fit , though doubt he will be . JJB , Dwyer and Oledzski . Whatever happens we are more than likely bottom after 4 games and it may be an uphill struggle from then on . Best we can hope for is fifth or sixth but more like 8th or 9th will be the outcome . Lets at least hope for some entertaining Rugby which has been missing for a while , otherwise we will have a half filled stadium at the walk up prices that are being charged .'"


Can I please ask what possible impact you think JJB and Ablett will have off the bench?

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A hell of alot more than Ferris . Donaldson , Suttcliffe , Mullaley ,ect .

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Quote: ploinerrhino "A hell of alot more than Ferris . Donaldson , Suttcliffe , Mullaley ,ect .'"


All together, "Let's do the time warp again......"

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Quote: Clearwing "Not often that 8th/9th placed teams are noted for entertaining rugby. I get your point though.'"

Exactly this. You can't have your cake and eat it in RL - if you're losing the energy battle and failing to go forward, you will incur more penalties, more errors, and be out of gas when on attack. We played compressed most of last year because the pack wasn't up to it and some individuals came up with errors consistently (Sutcliffe being one).

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Quote: The Biffs Back "My first choice back row too Mark
3 cracking footy players and with plenty of pace too.

Lets buck the trend of using 2nd rowers as nothing more than battering ram type players who aren't encouraged to play what they see during the game.

I just hope that our fans will be patient with our transition should we suffer a poor start or if we lose games along the way.
Let's start the integration of our juniors with the goal of being back at the top table within 3 years and any success prior to that will be a nice bonus

As a fan after watching the 1977 and 1978 CC final wins i had to endure plenty of barren years before we finally became consistently successful'"

Totally agree but our BR cant play if our front row isn't doing it's job. This is why we keep having second rowers sucked in to playing a prop role - we don't have enough proper props. Give us three high-impact props on rotation to create some dents in defences, and then watch Merrin, Ward and Smith go.

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We don't know how well Cas will travel this year - we're assuming they'll be up near the top again. I do like the way Powell coaches his sides I have to say.
I do think the friendly showed Leeds being far more competitive already than the ragtag side which limped through the second half of last season.
Cam Smith has to be in the 17 even if not starting, because he's shown he can cover 6/7 as well as BR.
With Hurrell and Watkins here, Sutcliffe is left battling it out with about 8 other players for 3 or 4 BR shirts. I think he needs to go out on DR and get game time at this stage in his career.
In terms of impact and average metres gained per carry (I know that's just a stat, but...) - I'm starting to wonder whether our best starting front row might be Oledzski, Parcell, Crosby. Cuthbertson and Singleton/Peteru off the bench perhaps.

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Quote: KaeruJim "In terms of impact and average metres gained per carry (I know that's just a stat, but...) - I'm starting to wonder whether our best starting front row might be Oledzski, Parcell, Crosby. Cuthbertson and Singleton/Peteru off the bench perhaps.'"


Crosby seems to get overlooked quite a bit. Not sure why, like you I have him down as one of our better FR options. Oledzki: we definitely can't afford to overlook the dent he puts in the opposition defence line. Cuthberstson is a bit soft for a starting prop for me and Singo is better against tired players with his quick ptb than he is against fresh ones where this is less effective. So yes, I pretty much go with what you've said. Peteru I'll reserve judgement on until I've seen him have a good, injury-free run. I think he might turn out to be an asset. Then again, I've said much the same about Ferres...

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Quote: Clearwing "Crosby seems to get overlooked quite a bit. Not sure why, like you I have him down as one of our better FR options. Oledzki
I'm not sure whether Peteru is dominant enough for prop, or fast enough for BR (probably why he's here and not in NRL).
We're going to get injuries pretty much from round 1 so I'm sure we'll get to see plenty of combinations of players throughout the season.
I just think we need as much go-forward as possible from the props and second rowers in order for our ball players to show their worth.
*IF* the pack can perform, I actually quite fancy us this year - some people forget just how ravaged we were by injuries in 2018. We have a tough task in establishing momentum and confidence with our first games.
I don't know: I actually liked McDermott in many ways, and his record overall was phenomenal. He did however squeeze players into his way of thinking and suffocated their natural style sometimes: if Furner is brave enough to let his talented players play, we could see success sooner rather than later.
We just can't let talented players play if the side is constantly on the back foot getting bullied in the middle...

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Quote: KaeruJim "Totally agree but our BR cant play if our front row isn't doing it's job. This is why we keep having second rowers sucked in to playing a prop role - we don't have enough proper props. Give us three high-impact props on rotation to create some dents in defences, and then watch Merrin, Ward and Smith go.'"


I agree entirely and I would love a meter making prop like a Walmsley prior to his injury or a fully fit and committed Garbutt to give us the grunt up front

But then I wonder how the hell Wigan managed to win last years grand final with Sutton,Flower,Clubb and Navarette as their props as none are really what you would call "meter munching props"?

Wasn't Wane's philosophy that he wanted his props to go to ground without any leg drive and to then get a quick play the ball which then went wide on the next play?

Wigan always seemed to make their big inroads when they went wide to players like Bateman and their outside backs and gained their territory that way
Either way it proved successful

I'm intrigued by the new 8 interchange rule and to see how it works for each side over this season

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Quote: The Biffs Back "But then I wonder how the hell Wigan managed to win last years grand final with Sutton,Flower,Clubb and Navarette as their props as none are really what you would call "meter munching props"?'"


Wouldn't say Clubb was a slouch at making metres, he usually makes good ground.

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Quote: Clearwing "Wouldn't say Clubb was a slouch at making metres, he usually makes good ground.'"


I personally wouldn't wish to sign Clubb or any of the other Wigan props mentioned

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I didn't say I wanted to sign him though we could do worse. The others I'm in full agreement on.
Anyway, who could forget Clubb's GF "bomb"? icon_smile.gif

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