Referendum and Rugby League

Quote: Andy Gilder "So Michael Gove comparing economists to Nazi stooges who denegrated the work of Einstein this morning isn't a personal attack on their integrity and ability?'"

I said most. I cannot coment further until I have read it.

Quote: Andy Gilder "The constant rhetoric of "taking back control" from the official Leave campaign is in no way meant to scare anyone into voting Leave?'"

"Taking back control" is a positive sentiment how does that scare you?

Quote: Andy Gilder "Still, it's good to see your total inability to recognise facts even when laid right in front of your eyes extends beyond rugby league and into the wider world. The fact is that NOBODY within the Leave campaign has the foggiest clue what will happen if they win the vote tomorrow. Their entire campaign is based on a triumphalist, nationalist optimism that because we're Britain we'll find a way to figure it out and come out the other end smelling of roses.'"

You have yet to state a fact. Lets hear them then?

I have said many times there are risks both ways. Because the Leave campaign have not issued fictional reports and budgets like the Remainers have to try and prove their case is commendable.

Quote: Andy Gilder "They don't know what the outcome of trade talks will be. They don't know what kind of agreement they will be able to negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world. They don't know how long those agreements will take to finalise and what will happen in the meantime. They are stepping off a ledge into a very dark hole and hoping that there's a soft mattress at the bottom rather than a bed of spikes. They are preying on the insecurities of small-minded xenophobes who believe Britain is "full".'"

In your world do you have to have guarantees before you do anything? Why are you so lacking in confidence in our country? and why like the others on the Remain side when you cannot present a decent aurgument for staying in the EU do you have to resort to name calling anyone who has a different opinion. You do realise you are insulting half of our population. If our forefathers had had your fear of the dark and negative attitude we would never have become such an important trading country.

The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world and we are the 9th largest exporter in the world. For ten years or more our trade with the EU has declined as a percentage of our total trade meanwhile our exports to outside the EU has overtaken that to the EU. We have a big negative trade deficit with the EU and Germany sells a fifth of the cars it produces to the UK. In practice we only seriously sell to a handful of the 27 other EU countries. Despite no trade agreement we sell much more to the USA than to any EU country with a very healthy trade surplus.

I do not know how experienced you are in business or exporting but I am sure you will know that you do not need trade deals in order to export and trade with countries as our exports to the USA confirm. In fact the EU trade deals are very much protectionist deals and if we were to leave the EU we would be free from the restrictive tarriffs that the EU places on other countries who do not have a trade deal. So for example once out the UK consumer would be able to buy a Japanese car 10% cheaper or many items of food 18% cheaper

So once out with control back we can start to export to countries freely. We can strike up trade deal with countries as and when we like as these other countries will be keen to sell their products into our large and open market. The Commonwealth is an obvious place to start and the far East too. We may lose a bit of trade with the EU but this is unlikley as they will want to keep selling into the UK.

Even if tarriffs on some goods are applied this will be more than offset by currency fluctuations. Remember a big point of project fear was to say the pound would sink. Well they cannot have it both ways because if there is for example a 5% tarriff applied by the single market and our currency falls by 5% we have lost nothing.