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| Quote: Fat Boy "Yeah and they could call it the Rhubarb Rugby Club and all the folk from across the land, near and far, shall flock to the great spectacle that is Rhubarb Rugby and all shall be happy and gay in the land.
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Think they would have to force this through
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| Quote: El Diablo "Your point stands in many respects, but watkins made his senior debut in 2008, so their emergence was separated by 9 years. Your figure for the gap is an over-estimate of 50%, which seems a large enough error to be worth calling attention to.'"
Your maths is not what it should be 9/15 *100 is 40%
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| Its Friday evening. Your team are playing in 2 hours. For Gods sake get off the computer and grab a beer.
You're making me sad for humanity.
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| Quote: Wheels "Its Friday evening. Your team are playing in 2 hours. For Gods sake get off the computer and grab a beer.
You're making me sad for humanity.'"
I'm on the internet on my phone
I'm heading there now
I'm more of a double vodka coke guy
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| Quote: ThePrinter "I'm on the internet on my phone
I'm heading there now
I'm more of a double vodka coke guy
Better!
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Your maths is not what it should be 9/15 *100 is 40%'"
Neither, it seems, is yours
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Your maths is not what it should be 9/15 *100 is 40%'"
Well, actually it looks more like 66% to me. So maybe we'll call it a draw.
You are correct about my maths though. Not my strong suit.
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| Quote: El Diablo "Well, actually it looks more like 66% to me. So maybe we'll call it a draw.
You are correct about my maths though. Not my strong suit.'"
No, 9 is 60% of 15 i.e. 3/5ths so my inaccuracy is the difference 40% would you not agree?
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| Quote: Little Drummer Boy "The whole 'let's give a licensce to a Wakefield-district club' is really the kind of crappy half-baked compromise that has gotten us into this mess in the first place. Cas fans won't go and watch the current Wakefield side. Because it's Wakefield, because it's the same players they were berating last season, and because Cas themselves still exist. Forcing Cas out of the league into the Championship will kill them off in the long run, but it won't do anything to help Wakefield. Especially as the message given to Cas fans will be that Wakefield are responsible for Cas's plight, only deepening that emnity and further undermining the possibility of a sustainable club. '"
Did Wakefield or Castleford disappear when they were outside SL? Did Featherstone when they were shafted at the birth of SL? Nor would either of the current SL teams you're seeking to combine here.
Are we agreed that 'this mess' is as a result of having two SL clubs representing a small geographical area fighting over the same juniors, the same commercial sponsors and potentially the same current and future fans? Are we agreed the solution is to have one side representing the district?
Earlier you said actually a Wakefield district side, which means getting all fans in the area to have a stake in it, and making it recognisably different from the previous club. It's odd that the people on here decrying the Hull-Gateshead and Huddersfield-Sheffield mergers, which effectively constituted kicking one team out of the league and keeping another in, are now advocating the exact same thing, just with the word 'merger' taken out!'"
Leeds never merged with Bramley and/or Hunslet but I imagine most of us on here will know of fellow Leeds fans that were former followers of those clubs - I know I do. Families that were brought up to 'hate' (if hate isn't too strong a word) that rich mob up the hill at Headingley who have over time followed the crowd to watch and support the team that represents their city in SL.
Quote: Little Drummer Boy "That means you need real representation in the side, you need to be seeing players you were seeing last year play this year, and generally to feel that the traditions of your club are being respected as much as possible, to give you something to grab onto, and form the relationship with that club that turns people into lifelong supporters. That can't, and won't, happen by just giving Wakey a spot in SL and kicking Cas out. '"
Which club do you support, Castleford or Wakefield? How have you got on posting your views on the way forward for their clubs on their forums? I think rather than telling them what they want it might be an idea to ask them first.
This idealistic equality wont happen through merger IMO ..... unless the clubs themselves are willing to buy in to the idea - are they? Are the fans? Would you if someone was suggesting your team were merged? I wouldn't, I'd prefer my club continued even if that meant them having to play in another division. If someone said my club would have to merge or fold I'd rather it fold and start over again from the bottom.
Quote: Little Drummer Boy "As for saying 'well, they can't keep all their stars'. True, maybe not. But even if you assume that 20% of their current fans point-blank refuse to come to the new club, that still adds up to over the 10k threshold that needs to be seen as the benchmark of a new club. And while they might not be able to keep all their stars under the cap, they'd certainly do a better job of keeping some of them, and of challenging for silverware, than either the current two clubs would.'"
What research has led you to assume 20% won't follow a merged club? And why are you presenting what appears to me to be a relatively small percentage (in light of the monumental upheaval your suggesting) as if it's towards the higher end of expectations.
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| Having skimmed various threads on the Wakey and Cas boards I'd be surprised if 20% of either set of fans would be happy sharing a ground, let alone merging.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "No, 9 is 60% of 15 i.e. 3/5ths so my inaccuracy is the difference 40% would you not agree?'"
Neither add up to anywhere near 15 years though do they? Nice attempt to deflect.
Also, wouldn't it be more appropriate to measure the gap between Chev's departure and kallum's debut? After all, they can't both play right centre at the same time. That would take that 15 year exaggeration down to two years.
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| Quote: G1 "Neither add up to anywhere near 15 years though do they? Nice attempt to deflect.
Also, wouldn't it be more appropriate to measure the gap between Chev's departure and kallum's debut? After all, they can't both play right centre at the same time. That would take that 15 year exaggeration down to two years.'"
One centre in 9 years with the best junior setup in Yorkshire shows how difficult it is to produce really high quality players in certain positions. If he is the real deal Sutcliffe will be the first half back to emerge from the Leeds Academy since 2003 that is how difficult it is. How you think this set up will simply just produce another Watkins is beyond me?
You also seem to think it is OK for all our best players to go to the NRL because other players of the same quality will emerge - again I respect your opinion but the actual evidence suggests you are wrong.
You also seem to believe that top quality overseas players are overrated and not needed - again we must agree to disagree.
I ask again is the SL a better competition without GB players like of Graham, Burgess, Aston, overseas players like Bird, Buderus, Gidley, Leuluai and perhaps most important the coach talent such as Edwards, Larder & Ford?
Finally on the time gap - are you seriously suggesting that if a Sutcliffe succeeds Sinfield the gap between both emerging will effectively be zero?
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| You're ignoring the fact that Leeds only need to produce another Watkins when and or if the existing one leaves. I f Ward and Sutcliffe fulfill their potential Nd the transition from Sinfield and McGuire is seamless does it matter that there was 10 years between them? In the preceding ten years we didn't do too badly.
the evidence that another player will step up if Watkins leaves is running around in blue and amber every week. I've already cited several examples. McGuire replacing Harris is one.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Your maths is not what it should be 9/15 *100 is 40%'"
Wow, if I was going to call someone out on having maths I'd at least make sure that I was going to get it right myself
if the true gap is 9 years, and you stated it as 15, that is an over estimate of (15-9)/15*100 = 67%
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| Quote: Cookridge_Rhino "d040.gif Wow, if I was going to call someone out on having poop maths I'd at least make sure that I was going to get it right myself
No the gap is the difference between the nine years it took to produce someone and the 15 years I said i.e. 6 so 6/15 is 40% as I suggested? 6/15 is 2/5th i.e 40% not sure where you get 67%
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