But you thought I was dreamy didn't you?

A nightmare for some I'd have said.

Did you prefer the 2005 season to last season?
Imo we played some of the most entertaining rugby I have seen from a Leeds team in 2005. Yet we reached both finals and lost them both. Some fans on here have described 2005 as a diappointing season.
Last season we were indifferent for most of the year yet it was ultimatley a successful finale ending as champions.
I got more enjoyment from watching the team on a weekly basis in 05 but give me last season everytime.

Me too.....

it also makes the decision as to whether it would be worthwhile making the commitment to purchase a season ticket a lot easier

Me too.

If you look at the weekly results in 2005, certyainly prior to the CC final, that team was more dominant than the 2004 version. Yet it won nowt and the season was a bitter dissapointment.

We won the WCC

Without a doubt - as I said winning isn't the be all and end all. I want to see elite players playing the game to elite standards - so by that criteria 2005 was a superior year.

Sal Paradise doesn't value that at all. But good point.

I've always wondered if those people who simply measured success by the number of trophies in the cabinet at the season's end, were of the "never mind the quality, feel the width" school of thought.....

Well, you may say he's a dreamer.

But he's not the only one.

I hope some day, you'll find us.

Trophies won for me.

I had a great time following Leeds in 2005. It certainly didn't compete with the euphoria of 2004, and actually I think I am able to reflect on it more fondly in light of the 4 titles we've won since. But, we did play some of the best rugby I've seen from any side in this country, particluarly in the first half of the season. But ultimately the point of professional sport is to win, and a season which bumbles along and ends on a high sits better in my memory than one that starts with fireworks and then fizzles out.

Did you manage to watch all season in 2005 or just pick and choose the odd game?

It certainly didn't "fizzle out". We hit an injury situation because of the coaches silly decision. That same decision cost us both trophies in the end. The season however was still fantastic, and the rugby the best we have played throughout any era since the 70's.

Are you really saying that last season compared to 2005 just because we actually managed to receive a trophy in that year?

I did see the whole season, home and away, from beginning to end, thanks for patronising though.

When you start (and continue through the middle) as the dominant force in the league before ultimately falling short and winning nothing, that counts as fizzling out in my book. You can blame the coach's decision re Senior for the loss in Cardiff without too much objection (while I maintain that you can't know what would have happened had he selected a different team) but to blame the Grand Final defeat on that doesn't really stack up. By the time we got to Old Trafford, that decision had ruled one player out. Big deal. What cost us that trophy was that we ran out of steam while Bradford peaked at the right time and won (13?) on the spin at the end of the season.

So, am I saying that last season compared to 2005? Depends what you mean. For direct comparison it was a very different season, but for me the low points made the ultimate high point all the more sweet. I certainly didn't feel as chirpy walking away from Old Trafford at the very end of 2005. Several games from 2005 linger in the memory and I enjoyed the season. As I say, I would probably remember it less fondly had we not subsequently reclaimed that trophy. For me, last season the ultimate goal was accomplished, in 2005 it wasn't. For me, that makes it a better season. You can view it differently (surely this is a subjective thing after all) but I fail to see the point of getting all uppity and incredulous because my view is different to yours.

You'd think your six foot wanger would make you a little less insecure than that.