i know it has been said already but looking at the size of Hurrell and Lui after lockdown suggests poor conditioning. Both look like amateur players with big beer guts, they are not even forwards!

Are they massively different to how they was pre-Covid tho? Theyve never been slim jims in truth.

Think people are just more accepting than me I guess. I figured this out when I went to watch a game with two mates and lifelong fans. They were more interested in getting a second pint than watching the second half start. I think If being a fan relates to your sobriquet life, I can see why people are less critical I guess.
I'm just bit fed up with the entertainment factor we've had to endure for few years, and some of the signings we've made. Seems another big Clearout might be needed which is sad.......

It's nothing to do with being more or less accepting. It's to do with a correct and a fundamentally incorrect understanding of what is happening. Soft management is least of our worries.

There has always been a culture of loyalty at the Rhinos - that is no bad thing maybe that is misconstrued as softness?

I don’t think its about being more accepting.

Im just curious on what you are basing your ‘another big clearout‘ assertion on, the last game? Last 2 games, why are you discounting the games before lockdown where we seemed to be making progress?

There was slways going to be poor results whilst we are going through this rebuild, and Covid has thrown a massive spanner in the works ontop of it.

As the poster above points out we do seem to put loyalty high in our list snd tgst was one of rhe attributes that made us so succesful in the recent past.

We had a rubbish result last week and since weve had people questioning the fitness of the ppayers, the quality of the players, the attitude of the players and now the management of the club, it all seems like a massive knee jerk to me. Lets see how we go in the next month or so.

Assessing this Squad as is its clear there are at least 7/8 players either not good enough , past it or just passengers id say thats a decent sized clear out needed.
Even allowing for SC & C19 impact mate the likes of both Briscoes Rhys Evans Cuthbertson Lui Crosby Ward who should be moved on , throw L.Sutcliffe who wants out plus Mylers unresolved situation thats a fair size number of departures that need to/will happen soon.
Thats nothing to do with ST's tubbing us the above are surplus if we aee to make the next step in this transition. Thats before the Coaching set up gets reviewed.

Yeah it’s been really boring being a Leeds fan for the past 20 years. Utter nonsense.

The coaching set up definitely needs a refresh - the likes of Davidson and Bletsoe need replacing to get some new ideas in

Apart from wondering as to how you think you know how certain back room staff perform (apart from your famed gut instinct, which would have seen us break the golden generation up in around 2010), neither of these do any actual coaching so the point is somewhat moot.

The coaching set up includes many elements - stat analysis being an important part as in physical conditioning. It is not a criticism of their ability but there is limit to how long the status quo delivers added value