if the likes of Adam Milner and reece Lynd are considered international class, then even luke briscoe can consider himself in with a chance. but then again the like of Mike Forshaw Paul Johnson had long international careers under David (Iestyn Harris is overrated) Waite and Brian (talent is overrated) Noble

I despair sometimes. Fully agree on personal opinions, and of course there is always one season wonders. Adam Milner for example has been the best loose forward in Super League, bar absolutely nobody, for the past two seasons on the trot, which shows a consistency and deserving of a pick.

I'll go with Gotcha's view, if only for the sake of improving a winger for the next few years. If a World Cup was imminent I'd go with Hall.

SOL when fit is the best 13 in the comp and has been for a fair few years and that is exactly why he is still england 13 and captain. Milner should be in the squad no arguments.

But Gotcha's view was that Hall wouldn't be a pick for him even if fit.

Like you say, it will be good to see other wingers attempt to step up, although i see both JM and Hall capable of being first choices for the next couple of years at least both are 30 and the end is not that far away.

No my view is we need to move on and prepare for the future, and that basis should be on picking on form, and that Makinson has shown a consistency of top form to deserve that pick. He has been better than Hall, on form, not based on previous years or previous internationals.

Hall before he was injured was playing as well as ever, sadly in a team going backwards but he wasn't looking like he was declining or didn't still deserve to be playing internationals anymore. He holds that wing spot with an iron grip for me at the minute but The fact he is injured, i agree its nice to see others get a shot this winter to see if they have what it takes to take over when Hall calls it a day or declines so much he is over taken. As i said, SL form can only be taken so far into account, internationals are a different game entirely and only a very select few can make the step.

But surely you need a chance at international to show you can do it before people saying they are not up to it? You earlier talked about finishing, but there is no better finisher on the wing in Super League than Makinson. I give you the issue in yardage in general, but not all teams use that tactic for wingers.

I’d say Greg Eden is a better finisher, not that I’d want him on the wing for England.

Whoever replaces Ryan Hall for England during this years test series v The Kiwi's is gonna have to be very good IMO

I think that both Tom Johnstone & Tommy Makinson are both fantastic talents,Both are excellent going forward in SL, but neither have been introduced to the attacking threat that the Kiwis will throw at them defensively during the series.

How will either player go bringing the ball out of our own 20?
Or if they get a half chance of scoring during the series when it's a head down irrespective of who is in front of them?

Ryan Hall has delivered regularly against both the Aussies and Kiwis and will be a tough act to follow

We're always planning for a future that never materialises. Pick the team that has the best chance of winning, age should be irrelevant, young or old.

Ryan Hall would be in the England team if fit, but we have some decent wingers to replace him. Watkins is a bigger loss to England, he’s the only World class centre we have.

And
Well, we don't want to end in up a situation where the majority of the squad have few to none caps.

What's embarrassing is that you clearly haven't watched Lyne, luckily Bennett has - you mate are very consistant at being wrong I'll give you that.

Go away sad Wakey man, I knew you would be the one to bite. He’s crap, anyone with half a brain cell knows that. Jog on.