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Quote: DHM "There's no quick fix here whatever. The squad looks poor, particularly the forwards, and especially if you take out all the over 30's. Our next generation is basically Stevie Ward. When you start missing a player as plodding and worn out as Galloway you know the pack is cack.
It's been said by many that the dressing room and the training ground need fresh voices and a new direction. The "bubble" needs to burst, the knee needs to jerk, the pot needs $h1tting on, the time to act is now not tomorrow, patience needs to run out and loyalty needs to be replaced by pragmatism. The club needs to come between the GH-McD bromance. It's now looking like a bad marriage that needs to finish for the sake of the kids.'"

Completely agree i wouldn't expect all the changes required to produce a "quick fix" mate.
Id expect the new regime/squad changes to be given a minimum of this year & next to settle into a strong unit good enough to challange again.

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Rumours that George Burgess is wanting a return to England I'd be happy if we went for him and widdop and that would be a start of decent recruiting.

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Quote: Jrrhino "Rumours that George Burgess is wanting a return to England I'd be happy if we went for him and widdop and that would be a start of decent recruiting.'"


There are murmurings that Burgess will replace Lynch at Cas, though I don't think any SL team can afford him (unless they make him a marquee player, which is unlikely as he doesn't play a pivotal position).
Again, Widdop must be on more than most SL clubs would be willing/able to pay.

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Quote: FGB "The first out the door would be Watkins, waaaaay before any of the other centres at the club. Perfect example of the malaise that has beset the club. Cash in and strengthen the halfback area'"


We'll have him to replace Webster.

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "I don't think anyone would disagree with the fact we desperately need to bring some new blood into the squad, sadly I can't see that happening this year. So planning ahead and looking who is off contract at the end of this year, I think we need to be fairly brutal and free up as much salary cap space as possible to bring new players in. Off contract this year we have Burrow, Handley, Lilley, McGuire, Sutcliffe, Baldwinson,JJB, Walters.

I would do the following
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Lilley
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From that list, I'd keep Sutcliffe (to play in the forwards) and Lilley and that's it. I'd also pay off Delaney (how has he got a long contract?) and find Mullalley a Championship home. Nowhere near convinced on Golding either, but would like to see what he can do with an attacking game plan under a decent coach.

Priority is obviously a controlling half but don't see that many available. Widdop is inconsistent and probably wouldn't come anyway, nor would any NRL first teamer other than those towards the end of their career. Of those, Cronk or Thurston are not going to happen, and the only other one in that category is Blake Green. It's either that or a big transfer fee for Gale.

Other than Garbutt we have no punch in the middle either. If Adam Walker doesn't fit in at Saints I'd buy him and buy him now. Always quality for Scotland, and against us for HKR. Garbutt/Singleton/Walker/Cuthbertson/Galloway is a decent rotation for now.

McDermott also needs to go now not at the end of the season. We can't afford the players we have to keep regressing or it won't matter who we bring in next year.

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Quote: Jrrhino "Rumours that George Burgess is wanting a return to England I'd be happy if we went for him and widdop and that would be a start of decent recruiting.'"


He was terrible last year and has been dropped by Souths this year. Doubt there are a queue of NRL clubs queueing to buy him at the moment. He'd improve us though.

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Quote: RHINO-MARK "Completely agree i wouldn't expect all the changes required to produce a "quick fix" mate.
Id expect the new regime/squad changes to be given a minimum of this year & next to settle into a strong unit good enough to challange again.'"


Arn't you suppose to do all this pre-season?

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Quote: atomic "Arn't you suppose to do all this pre-season?'"


Erm.....yes

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Quote: atomic "Arn't you suppose to do all this pre-season?'"

You think it takes 1 pre-season to re-build a title winning squad that's been stripped of it's greatest assests in modern history?
Throw in a new Coaching staff & new conditioning staff id say definately not we go back to 2002/03 it takes a fair bit of time.

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Quote: RHINO-MARK "You think it takes 1 pre-season to re-build a title winning squad that's been stripped of it's greatest assests in modern history?
Throw in a new Coaching staff & new conditioning staff id say definately not we go back to 2002/03 it takes a fair bit of time.'"


I agree mark. i'm happy to get a whole new coachng staff in, plus a raft of new signings and have a season building with some good youngsters breaking through.
not that I think any of this will happen

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Quote: tad rhino "I agree mark. i'm happy to get a whole new coachng staff in, plus a raft of new signings and have a season building with some good youngsters breaking through.
not that I think any of this will happen'"

If Caddick kicks GH's arris the blue prints are there & it's what surprises me most we not only have the formula we bleedin created it with GH leading the way & he was ruthless without flinching.

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Quote: RHINO-MARK "You think it takes 1 pre-season to re-build a title winning squad that's been stripped of it's greatest assests in modern history?
Throw in a new Coaching staff & new conditioning staff id say definately not we go back to 2002/03 it takes a fair bit of time.'"


You mean like cronulla last year? Came from nowhere to champions, it can be done

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Quote: leedsnsouths "You mean like cronulla last year? Came from nowhere to champions, it can be done'"

Cronulla being able to sign a crucial spine of 1,6,7 and 9 (Barba, Maloney, Townsend, Ennis) over the course of 12 months certainly helped their cause.

The same cannot be achieved in SL due to insufficient player pool talent, a very limited salary cap and a moribund transfer market.

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I wouldn't my James Greenwood from KR. Also if they do persist with BM I hope the bring in an attacking minded assistant coach.

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After the Cas game I have taken a couple of days to let it sink in before posting,was it really that bad a performance?YES probably the worst for twenty years as for the future f**k knows but looking back to when Caddick&Hetherington arrived and did a root and branch makeover and made us the best in the business on and off the pitch.the bit they seems to have missed is that raising playing/coaching/stadium standards to a high level also involves a raising of expectation that those standards will continue,and that involves continuos review of things like the academy which a few seasons ago we were the pinnacle and A standard in this country.so maybe mr Hetherington needs a good hard look at himself and the whole club and become the guy who took over in95/96 instead of the supremo or el capitano of super league that he imagines he is.get back to basics Gary we as fans deserve the expectations you raised to be met

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