Dont know what some people have seen in ablett to make him captain, he moans 10 times more than McGuire, and I don't think Burrow or JJB will be on the field enough for more than a 'club captain' role.

I agree with others that Ward should be made captain at the end of the season.

I don't know why some on here blame McGuire so much, but it has been going on long before he was captain. He didnt play well but was by no means our worst performer and produced the only real moment of creativity in the assist for moons try. Also he was pretty unselfish in sending men away from him for Cas' first try but the rest of the team was too asleep to react.
Ive said it before, we could have Wally Lewis in our team but he would never create anything because we have no dummy runners and no attacking shape.

A win against Catalans is the sort of record most on here expected from those first five fixtures, which would be the equivalent of just inside the eights. Some predicted top four, which would not happen based on that sort of record. A loss to Catalans and you are looking at a record no one was expecting.

Do you think Wire or Saints are going to make the top 4?

Yes and No

Yes, not sure what the relevance is to us. We each have different fixtures, and they have better squads. Changes make a difference.

Last year we beat Hull KR (Leigh equivalent) away, beat Salford at home, Lost away to Cas & Saints, lost at home to Catalans. We were the worst team in Super League. So we have to do something better this year to change that. A win at home to Catalans would be that tiny step, i.e just in eights sort of form. But nothing better than that yet. Of course the two weeks after Catalans, fixtures were again defeats last year, so would again indicate this years form in comparison.

The relevance is that you're all but writing Leeds' chances of reaching the top 4 off, after losing a couple of games in the first month of the season. Games we've regularly lost in the past regardless of what month we played them in and we've gone on to win Grand Finals (no i'm not saying we'll win the GF either before anyone starts)

But you're saying that Wire & Saints, despite having worse records will reach the top 4.

Wire have a better squad on paper than us but they can't buy a win at the moment.
Saints, i'd argue, really haven't got that great a squad and unless things change quickly for them then they could find themselves in the same position that we did last year.

We are repeating what we did last year. That is more relevant and more to the point. The other two are not repeating so therefore unknown.

I feel sure you meant to exclude Keinhorst from your gutless remark.

Just to make the point more here. Last year the equivalent four fixtures we scored 76 and conceded 80 in. This year the same we have scored 51 and conceded 90.

Why? More missed tackles than anyone on the pitch. In fact 9 missed tackles would be ridiculed by anyone in any day and age. You had to go some to have that record.

Southstander logic in full effect right here.

Leeds lost their first 3 last year.
Wire have lost their first 3 this year.

So If I was to go looking through your posts from this time last year I'd see you predicting a top 4 finish and there'll be no talk of middle 8s or relegation?

Saints have lost to Leigh and Wakefield in the last 2 weeks, their fans are in meltdown. What makes you think they're going to make the top 4?

Again not listening. The only relevance this season to last is the corresponding fixtures, those are clear. Saints started poorly last year anyway, but don't know if they lost to Hull KR and Wakefield last year, but know they beat us just like this year.

who cares about any other side. we can all see this leeds squad is substandard. will finish above halfway? very much doubt it.
either way big changes are needed

Just seen now they won all three last season, where they have won only one this season. So therefore dropped four points. They finished fourth by two clear points last season, so therefore they currently have a win to make up.

By the way Warrington lost to Cas at home last year, but scraped wins at Catalans and Salford.

Wonder if we won any games in 2016 that we lost in 2015?
Comparing fixture to fixture just doesn't work, as you've just proven.

BTW, I don't for a minute think Wire won't make the top 4 either but it's got nothing to do with comparing this year and last.