If JJB's out:

Golding
Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
McGuire Burrow
Singleton Parcell Garbutt
Ward Ablett
Sutcliffe

Cuthbertson Keinhorst Ormondroyd Baldwinson

Apart from Gareth Hock, how many other players have been yellow carded or sent off for abusing the ref or physically touching them? Was Ryan Bailey sent off for pushing Silverwood in 2012? Yet the majority on this forum were in uproar when he ended up getting a three-match ban for it. Opinions on refs doing their job correctly does rather depend upon the player in question and which club he plays for.

now that I agree.
with regards to baileys, silverwood, for some reason, took to standing in the defensive line. a few players ended up being obstructed by him. baileys was not intentional, I was sat right above it.
IIRC eventually whoever was the refs boss at the time, possibly cummings, came out and told him to stand where he should have, not in the line.
hocks just a dick

Your view from above must have been impeded then because... rlBailey admitted to the offence and the club agreed with the three match banrl.

Not any that I can remember but that just means that other refs are failing too, we are starting to see more of these ref contact charges coming up. Maybe if they start using their cards instead of bottling it and leaving it to the disciplinary then we'd see less or will we have to wait until you see a Paulo Di Canio moment.

Do you think players should stay on the pitch for contact with the official???



If he was unhappy with the contact Bailey made on him then yes he should've carded him. Would I have agreed with it, no but that's because on that occasion the ref was at fault imo for getting himself into a stupid position as the ball was being played which is a much different scenario to the likes of Carney, Hock or Charnley e other year who just sulked about a decision.

Usually it is a fine when you have an EGP, but with the charge a dangerous throw, JJB already serving a fine, suspension and losing his EGP this pre season, is expect the top end of the charge.

Quote: Frosties. "Usually it is a fine when you have an EGP, but with the charge a dangerous throw, JJB already serving a fine, suspension and losing his EGP this pre season, is expect the top end of the charge.'" He's not being charged for a dangerous throw www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/disciplinary

Quote: Frosties. "Usually it is a fine when you have an EGP, but with the charge a dangerous throw, JJB already serving a fine, suspension and losing his EGP this pre season, is expect the top end of the charge.'" He's not being charged for a dangerous throw www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/disciplinary

I'd say that depends upon the degree of aggression and intent involved. There needs to be a common sense approach because it got ridiculous last season in the NRL.

Sam McKendry ended up with a one game ban for rlTHISrl... and Tyson Frizell one match ban for rlTHISrl.


You might be getting mixed up with the Brent Webb incident just before? Bailey intentionally pushed Silverwood out of the way and admitted the offence and the club also backed the RFL over the three match ban.

There's a lot of pressure on refs not to send players off unless an offence is clear cut and there's no other option, hence why most are placed on report instead.

At the time I remember thinking 3 games for Bailey was harsh. Yes he pushed the ref, but Silverwood was in the wrong place, it was goal line defence and I think Bailey felt it stopped him making a tackle which lead to a try. It was imo, Silverwoods fault, and while they need protecting I thought this was as accidental/justifiable as it came.

Seem to remember Bailey then giving Silverwood a load of guff, which I thought was worth a ban but not three matches.

The Frizell one was ridiculous. The Carney one is weird, yes he puts his arm up, but I wouldn't call it agressive. I have no idea what Child was doing or why he was so close, particularly when refs tend to always keep players at arms length, even when talking to captains etc. Again I'd think one game is fair, but going on recent precedent it's likely to be more.

If Carney is out then i guess we'd line up like this..

O'brien
Evalds
Sau
Whelham
Johnson
Lui
Dobson
Kopzcak
Tomkins
Mossop
Griffin
Jones
Flanagan

Brining
Tasi
Krasniqi
Walne/Carney

No I'm definitely thinking of the Bailey incident, not saying he didn't push the ref but that's because Silverwood trotted backwards into his way as the ball was being passed along the Warrington line. He got himself in an awful position whilst the ball was in play, very different to these other incidents that are after play has stopped.

That we are seeing more and more of these thing being placed on report I'd suggest dealing it with the current way is failing. Should at least start brandishing yellows. I'd rather see us take after RU where refs are rarely given sh*t rather than heading to the football route.

That the disciplinary keep finding these incidents worthy of bans but refs are doing nothing on the field is a failing. You can excuse them for placing certain tackles on report because they may not of seen them as clearly as they liked but these incidents are happening to them so no excuse.

As for the Hardaker one you brought up earlier, there's definitely no excuse for his none response there. No doubt of whether it was aggressive or not like contact. Should be clear cut, verbally abuse the ref, you're off.

Im surprised nobody has said this but on the evidence of Warringtons performance on Saturday and Wigans on Sunday, leeds are way off these 2 and need to show considerable improvements v salford

My take on it is that we offered a little more attacking threat v Leigh than we did against Saints (first half at any rate) and I'd hope that improvement would continue against Salford. Defence-wise, I thought we were decent in both games. You're right in that we are currently way short of Wigan and Wire although both these targeted their WCCS games in a big way and may experience a flat period just as other teams start to hit their straps. I must be more optimistic (or perhaps more stupid) than most on these boards in that I feel we aren't a million miles away from beginning to hit some form.

Realistically though those 2 teams won't reach that level of performance too often during the regular season. In 2012 when we played Manly, if we performed like that more often we wouldn't have been lingering around 7th/8th for a while before finally having to come from 5th again. Also last the first half vs NQC was arguably our best 40 of the season given the opposition, if we came up with more of that last year we'd have made the top 8.

Like pointed out above they had months to target that game and let's not forget that Warrington lost the previous week vs Catalans and with Castleford to play this week there's a good chance they could start the season 0 from 2.

Leeds are still the only team to win the WCC at the start of the year and win the GF later in the same year.

good thing about that is a solid defense is a good foundation for attack, if we can keep a solid defense and sharpen up our attack then we are moving up. just to cut down and cheap handling eras will help to start with.